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« on: June 19, 2010, 09:30:28 PM »

So I am going to paint my floating Markov with different metallic colors aluminum being the base color and coloring other panels with different shade of aluminum using Alaclad or maybe Mr. Color paints.  I want to replicate the box art and I want to chip/scratch the pin stripe a little.  My question is will the hairspray/salt technique work with lacquers or do I have to use acrylics?  Thanks for any help.
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2010, 03:39:54 AM »

So I am going to paint my floating Markov with different metallic colors aluminum being the base color and coloring other panels with different shade of aluminum using Alaclad or maybe Mr. Color paints.  I want to replicate the box art and I want to chip/scratch the pin stripe a little.  My question is will the hairspray/salt technique work with lacquers or do I have to use acrylics?  Thanks for any help.


Never tested it with laquers, but for some reasons  I'd go with Acrylics for sure!
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2010, 04:33:44 AM »

My question is will the hairspray/salt technique work with lacquers or do I have to use acrylics?  Thanks for any help.

Hairspray under your paint gives you a "removable" paint using a stiff brush or a toothpick for scratches due the fact water could dissolve hairspray.
Salt will give you chipping in paint when salt crystals are physically removed with a stiff brush.

In hairspray/salt technique you use hairspray to fix salt on your surface and using water and acrylics you will obtain both effects above.

Well dry acrylic color is water resistant but couldn't hold a great amount of stress so it could be "easily" removed and wear out over an "soft" base (the laquer).
(You can diluted Tamiya acrylics with water to accent this effect, too and use water when acrylic isn't completely cured)
Lacquers are solvent based and quite aggressive so will tend to dissolve the hairspray and bound quite well with your model surface.

Hairspray/salt technique with lacquers will give you only paint chips where salt crystals are removed; you will miss the little, "corroded" edges around chips where crystals were, among others but still will have the perception of "thickness" in paint layer around chips.

My only advise is that these techniques aren't so easy to control and a bit random--> I usually repaint most of the chips using a sponge.
You first time?--> practice a bit  with an old model  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2010, 07:46:21 AM »

Thanks for the replies guys.   I think I will use acrylics for the pin stripe since the effect I am going for is more of a streaked scratch (if that makes sense) to give the sense of forward motion.

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 05:08:45 AM »

Ok I have tried this fornthe first time and I think i might have done something wrong. http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?topic=5553.20

If you look at the last pics the acrylics did not turn out right.  What did I do wrong?  Advice please.


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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 06:34:41 AM »

Wow... no idea. It could be an excess amount of HS layer, or maybe the acrylic thinner... I use alcohol. Always test on scrap. ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 06:39:38 AM »

Thanks.  I will give alcohol a try. 91% right?

I am going to see if I can get this off with some water.  Any way it's good practice.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 06:55:30 AM »

How much hairspray should I use and how long should it dry before I spray the acrylics.

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 08:31:02 AM »

If you're using the same type as me, then two light mistings, dried inbetween should do the trick. And yeah, 91%.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 08:36:14 AM »

SUCCESS!!!!

Well I found out that I need to use alcohol to thin my acrylic.  Thanks Mike!!!

What do you think.  To much chipping, not enough, or just right?

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