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Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 20, 2010, 08:54:26 AM
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So I have proposed an interesting challenge for myself and perhaps one of you would like to try it as well. I am attempting to complete 4 modern Master Grade kits by sometime in April. (partially to reduce the footprint on my shelves) The kits I hope to complete are the following:

Chars Zaku 2.0
Victory Gundam ver Ka
Astray Blue Frame 2nd Revise
GN-X

The GN-X is on its way, but the other 3 are all cut out and sanded (except the ABF2ndR tact. arms which will be sanded/cut today) and it's only taken me, including today, 5 days to do so. These first 3 kits surprisingly have no seams to be glued which is amazing. There's just some flash lines, very minor, on some of the weapon barrels to be dealt with. These kits are so easy that it's almost painful based on some of the other stuff I've been building.

All of these kits will have some sort of customization to the color schemes and will have minor add-ons like aluminum bells for the Zaku and lights for the GN-X drive.

Anyone want to try and match or beat that? The only requirements would be that they be:

At least 4 Kits
Recent MGs, past 2-3 years
Well-done despite the quick turn-around
Decals applied
Some sort of customization, however minor (maybe a different color scheme) done to each
Macross Frontier kits acceptable as they're basically MGs
Deadline of 4/30/2010


Personally, I hope to be done by 4/1, but am being realistic.
Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on February 20, 2010, 02:10:07 PM
Sounds like a good idea.  I was thinking of the Astray Blue frame the other day so I would love to do that one the GN-X, Exia Ignition Mode and RGM-79 2.0 and maybe the Shin Musha.  I have a few alternate color schemes in mind for each of them.  Can we use conversion kits?

This would give me a good kick in the rear to be more productive.
Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 20, 2010, 02:43:41 PM
Cool! Yeah, you can use conversions if you want... it'll probably take you more time, but a kick is a kick!

I must admit I was eyeing my HGUC Dendrobium today as well... however I think I'm going to keep that in the box for now. LOL!
Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on February 20, 2010, 02:46:42 PM
I just picked one up for $175.00  SCORE!!!!!  It is an impressive kit but going to take some serious time.
Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 20, 2010, 03:16:12 PM
Matt and I are going to have a Dendro build-off at some point. The more the merrier!
Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on February 20, 2010, 03:32:28 PM
I saw that in an earlier post.  Sounds good to me, just let me know when.  Maybe towards the start of Summer.
Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: Mrex-sgundam on February 21, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
I may join in. The Z II and Barzam both use modern frames.
Title: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 21, 2010, 03:19:05 PM
Sure!
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 21, 2010, 07:22:02 PM
I just split this to be it's own topic. No need to place all of your builds in this forum... at least not the finished pics. Put finished pics in the gallery of course! Just use this thread to update us on your progress.

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As for me...

Astray BF 2ndR: Cut and Sanded
Zaku 2.0: Cut and Sanded
GN-X: Shipped
Victory: As of now, it's 90% painted. All I've left to do is the red rings on the arm, leg, and hip discs and a little silver behind the lenses. Going with a slight muted variation of the stock scheme here which is unusual for me, but this is the first Gundam I ever built back in 1994 so it's nostalgic for me. Got a great gunmetal for half of the internals by mixing 50/50 Mr. Color Semi Gloss Black with Super Stainless. The other half is a warmer, lighter metal mix.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on February 21, 2010, 08:42:56 PM
Cool were off and running.  If I may I might use the 1st of my AKO conversions.  It still needs panel lines and final top coat.  I just received my Beam Rifles from AKO and am going to add one to it. 


Here is my list, but this may change are:
AKO BD Conversion 03 (90% painted) Adding Beam Rifle with
Exia MG (sanded and snapped) Alternate color scheme
RX-78 2.0 (sanded and snapped) Adding some metal thrusters and other things
MG Astray Blue Frame (on it's way) Alternate color scheme

Maybe I will do another AKO conversion since the kits are very easy.  I could probably knock one out in a day if I had the time.  So maybe 5 from me.  We'll see.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 22, 2010, 04:49:55 AM
Awesome! For a 5th, I'm not sure... I have the Ako Bazram and Sniper, Crossbone Full Cloth, and a RVF-25 and VF-27. The Macross Frontier kits are not officially MG kits, but that's basically what they are.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: zerobxu on February 22, 2010, 06:30:20 AM
Geebus... I'd be hard pressed to finish four kits by April 30th. Period. And I'm not even sure I HAVE four "modern" MG's...
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mtomczek on February 22, 2010, 03:44:57 PM
Matt and I are going to have a Dendro build-off at some point. The more the merrier!

Yes! I know this is off topic for this thread, but lets plan this. I want to finally get mine painted.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 22, 2010, 07:11:03 PM
Matt: Cool... I have big (no pun intended) plans for it.

Progress report:
Astray BF 2ndR: Blue and black parts skewered. Ran out of space/skewers for the armor since the Victory is still on them. Tomorrow I prime.
Zaku 2.0: Cut and Sanded and SOLD! Yeah... nothing to show yet, but my usual client wants a red Chars Zaku so here we go!
GN-X: Shipped
Victory: Internals unskewered and as built as I can. Armor inked and 2nd clearcoat applied. Awaiting decals shipped with GN-X.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 23, 2010, 10:45:03 AM
Astray internals are primed. Although I forgot that I can't paint it until my Mr. Color paints arrive with the decals for the Victory. Doh! I could use my Alclad IIs, but really want to wait and use the Misters.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: tetsujin on February 23, 2010, 11:32:41 AM
I'm working on multiple kits for Tekkoshocon - but probably the Scopedog is the only one that would qualify (modern Bandai kit, "basically a Master Grade"...  Also working on a MG Gundam, VF-0 Batt and Armored Core - and not all of the builds would be "modified" either...)

...Yeah, we'll see how that works out for me.  XD  I guess it doesn't matter if my stuff qualifies for this GB or not - I've got my projects and my deadline, either way...
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 23, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
It's about whatever motivates you to build really. Some people like a challenge and I figured 4 modern MGs (as opposed to the 2001 variety) would make it easier. Not sure how far you are, but that's a tall order to complete those particular 4 in that short time. The AC especially is partsy and more of a challenge to paint. OH... and regarding the VF-0 battroid, do yourself a favor and attempt to put some rod in the hip-pegs at the bottom of the cockpit. I had those snap off both of mine while final-posing as they're very weak and the ball joint is very tight..
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: tetsujin on February 23, 2010, 01:36:10 PM
Not sure how far you are, but that's a tall order to complete those particular 4 in that short time. The AC especially is partsy and more of a challenge to paint. OH... and regarding the VF-0 battroid, do yourself a favor and attempt to put some rod in the hip-pegs at the bottom of the cockpit. I had those snap off both of mine while final-posing as they're very weak and the ball joint is very tight..

I've not done the VF-0 battroid before, but this will be my second Armored Core build and my second Hasegawa Battroid - I think I have a pretty good idea of what to expect.  After a shoulder peg broke on my VF-1 Battroid, my golden rule for Hasegawa robot kits has been to reinforce all pegs during assembly.  "Reinforce them now or repair them later".  :)  It's advice everyone should remember any time they build one of those kits.  Still, I absolutely love the Hasegawa Battroids...  I'd seriously forgotten how great those kits are until I started work on the VF-0.  I'm totally psyched to be working on a Hase again.

Just in case my goal of squeezing in the AC build isn't lofty enough, this is also the one where I'm scratch-building the legs (AC "Cherry Bomb")...  (Of course, that work's already started, but I figure most of the work on that project is still ahead of me.)  I don't know if I can pull that off, but if the Scopedog and VF-0 go well I'm gonna give it a shot.

Personally I find a relatively simple kit like the MG Gundam (or even a Hasegawa Battroid) a lot easier to work with than a newer kit like the MG Zaku 2.0...  I hate dealing with excessive parts count, and I hate dealing with part seams along panel lines...  If the kits I'm building are OK for this group build then I guess I'm in.  :)
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 23, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
Because of my lack of paint and decals for what I've already started, this gives me the rest of the week (at least) to start another MG build. So #5 is the Crossbone Gundam Full Cloth. I'll be painting this in the dark blue/gold of the X2 and use the resin Shot Lancer I got from MechaSkunk. I plan to do the usual metal-parts additions and do the chest skull-eye guns seen in the attachment.

Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on February 25, 2010, 01:05:35 PM
Just got my Blue Frame Astray for this, and what a cool kit.  Even has a miny Action Display Stand.  Now waiting for decales from Samuel Decales for the RX-78-2 2.0 and the MG Astray.

I will start priming and painting next week.  Hopefully it will get above 50 degrees here.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 27, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
My order arrived today so tonight I start decaling the Victory. That oughta take a while being a Ver. Ka and all. I think it'll be ready to final-build by Tuesday.

I can also start painting the Astray since my paints arrived.

GN-X looks awesome, but I'm not sure I like how the rear of the main clear part is frosted. We'll see though once I start building it and light it up. I think I have some purple LEDs and if not I can purplize one with some CLEAR PURPLE! (not what I wanted the clear purple for, but it's a bonus)

Crossbone is cut and ready except for some final clean-up to the weapon seams.

Zaku is waiting on an Ako order to continue.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mtomczek on February 28, 2010, 11:50:53 AM
Where did you end up finding the clear purple?
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 28, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
Actually finished decaling the Victory last night and satin-coated it. It's all done now so I just need to take some pics.

Where did you end up finding the clear purple?
http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?topic=5151.msg56183#msg56183
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 28, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
Victory done!

Comments: http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?topic=5487.0
Pics: http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/completed-%c2%bb-mg-victory-gundam/
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 01, 2010, 11:06:30 AM
Astray Progress: All primed and frame color painted. What color is it? COPPER! It's the Astray Copper Frame 2nd Revise. Yeah sounds odd, but looks good so far! Using three tones of copper for variation. Armor should be off-white, white, and dark gray. Blades and gun barrels in gunmetal/stainless steel. Probably green-blue for the lenses... patina-color!

Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 02, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
My Progress Report:

Astray:  Just finished snapping and sanding.  That is one huge f*cking sword.  A ton of parts as well.  Color scheme will be close to original the differences will be a metallic blue frame and light grey armor.

BD Conversion:  Mecha is complete just finishing up the huge ass gun I got from AKO.  Hopefully will finish that tonight.

RX-78 2.0:  Started to do the metal modes such as pistons and thrusters.

Exia:  Nothing to report.

Moving slowly but steadily.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 02, 2010, 10:43:11 AM
What are you using for the metallic blue? Will it be a candy coat or a "metallic blue" paint? I know Tamiya's Metallic Blue sucks, but was wondering if there's other brands that do a nice job without having to do the whole candy coat thing.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 02, 2010, 10:57:50 AM
What are you using for the metallic blue? Will it be a candy coat or a "metallic blue" paint? I know Tamiya's Metallic Blue sucks, but was wondering if there's other brands that do a nice job without having to do the whole candy coat thing.

I was going to do candy coat at first but because of time I am going to give the Mr. Color Metallic blue #76 a shot.  I think I will skip priming the frame as well so that if paint rubs off it wont show as bad as if there were primer grey underneath.  If this works as good as the rest of the Mr. Color metallic paints it should turn out very nicely.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 02, 2010, 11:01:13 AM
Let me know. I was wondering because the candy coat is going to be VERY thick paint-wise for a frame. If the metallic blue is nice and smooth then it should be superb.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: Funaka on March 02, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
Can I have until 4/1/2011?  :D
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 04, 2010, 05:26:24 PM
Can I have until 4/1/2011?  :D
Nooooo! :razz:

Astray progress: All done except for final construction, but that;ll have to wait till tomorrow as I just finished applying the flat coat and that needs to cure.

I think next will be the Crossbone and the Zaku as both of them are cut and ready to be primed. Well, the Zaku needs some new bell mods, but that's easy enough.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 05, 2010, 10:49:19 AM
Astray Copper Frame 2nd Rev is DONE! Just need to take pics. Maybe later, maybe tomorrow. I need to build an action base first.

That sword is FREAKING ENORMOUS. (and cool) Just saying.

Pics soon.

Zaku: Primed.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: epyon3245234 on March 06, 2010, 05:38:29 AM
Does the MG F91 count as a recent enough kit? If so I'd like to throw my name in the hat for this challenge.
My 4 kits are: MG F91 - finished
                   MG Unicorn - about 80% snapped and sanded, some parts primed
                   MG Victory Hexa - about 25% snapped and sanded
                   MG Astray Red Frame - no progress - waiting on package to arrive
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 06, 2010, 07:22:17 AM
Yeah, that one counts. Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: BossJenks on March 06, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
I graduate from Air Force basic military training and you guys are having another little build thing? I don't even remember what plastic feels like anymore...
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 06, 2010, 10:56:44 AM
Congrats! And yeah... this IS a modeling forum after all! :razz:
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 06, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Victory: Done!
Astray: Done
Zaku: Painted and Clear Coated. Waiting for curing to start panel lines.
GN-X: Still in box  :doh:
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 06, 2010, 03:17:59 PM
Another Progress Report:

Astray:  Snapped

BD Conversion: Done!!

RX-78 2.0:  Frame base coated!

Exia:  Nothing to report.

Moving slowly but steadily.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 06, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
Here's the finished frame for the Zaku 2.0. Titanium/Brass and Gunmetal.

Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 06, 2010, 06:24:55 PM
Very nice.

I used Mr. Color Iron for the frame of my RX-78 2.0.  I am either going to use black for the recesses or I am going to hight light with another metallic.

I am going for a super clean classic look.  No shading just bright colors and clean lines. 
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 06, 2010, 07:08:25 PM
Thanks. Did you use the regular Mr. Color iron or the Super Iron? I found the regular, while nice and dark isn't shaney and mars easily.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 07, 2010, 05:56:01 AM
Regular iron.  I know how fragile it is.  I used some on my 1/72 Barzam that I am working on and found that if it gets rub it shines up, which can be good if you want that effect.  So on the RX-78 2.0 I made sure not to touch the parts until I got a gloss coat on them. 
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 07, 2010, 03:13:49 PM
You said your BD was done? Where's the pics!?

Zaku: Flat coat applied. Tomorrow I need to paint a few parts in metal that I was waiting on like the tubes for the conduit pipe-bits and some rings around the bazooka.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 07, 2010, 07:00:44 PM
Havn't had time to take any yet.  I have been working like crazy on RX-78 2.0 before I go out of town for a week.  I will take some when I get back.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 08, 2010, 11:40:37 AM
I still think I might get the Zaku done today, but I ran into a few issues today. First off, as cool as the new tube mechanism looks, it's just as painful as the old one. The fit on the inner tube part is VERY tight and the part is polycap material so paint doesn't stick. I've had to replace them with springs which has caused me to modify the kit a bit AFTER painting which is dangerous. So far so good though.

The other issue is that while building the head I realized that I never painted the red "mouth" piece which meant I lost it. Luckily I found it under my Elliptical. It's now primed and will be painted later. That'll be the part that holds me up if anything from completing it today. No problem though as Tuesday was my original thought anyway.

I primed the Crossbone last night and sorted the primed parts eariler. The kit will be easy to paint except for the Peacock Smasher. 24 parts need masking there.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: tetsujin on March 08, 2010, 01:15:19 PM
I still think I might get the Zaku done today, but I ran into a few issues today. First off, as cool as the new tube mechanism looks, it's just as painful as the old one. The fit on the inner tube part is VERY tight and the part is polycap material so paint doesn't stick. I've had to replace them with springs which has caused me to modify the kit a bit AFTER painting which is dangerous. So far so good though.

Two things really bug me about those parts:

First, all the beads are molded crooked.  The center hole isn't centered within the cuff, particularly on the parts molded around the rubber part.
Second, the leg beads go over springs instead of rubber parts, which means they're not kept in alignment.  So that thinly-veiled parting line "detail" winds up all over the place unless the beads are carefully realigned before any shooting.

Combine the two and the effects compound - not only do you wind up with the leg cable seams crooked, but the leg cable itself as well (due to the off-center beads being turned differently)

I really think the old system was easier to deal with. String your beads onto a piece of wire and you could sand 'em, and paint 'em and they'd be ready to run onto the spring.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 08, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
The only thing I really liked about these beads was the ability to sand each strand at once as opposed to sanding the individual beads and flinging them everywhere. At this point I wish I had sanded the detail off of them, which was an option I was considering early on in the build. Then no worries about alignment. My plan is to white-glue them into position on the strands to keep them from moving. Hopefully that'll do the trick. Next time though, I'll sand away the detail.

My client sent me a box of four-ish 2.0 Zakus him and a friend had started for conversions. There's at least 2 complete ones and parts to make probably one more. I have a snapped Zaku I kit  I got from someone else in a trade so I'll be making a Zaku I 2.0 which will be wonderfully bead-free.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: tetsujin on March 08, 2010, 02:04:54 PM
The only thing I really liked about these beads was the ability to sand each strand at once as opposed to sanding the individual beads and flinging them everywhere. At this point I wish I had sanded the detail off of them, which was an option I was considering early on in the build. Then no worries about alignment. My plan is to white-glue them into position on the strands to keep them from moving. Hopefully that'll do the trick. Next time though, I'll sand away the detail.

You can sand the beads all at once with the old kits, too - just a matter of stringing them onto something rigid...

I don't have my Zaku v2.0 handy, but IIRC I found the alignment issue bad enough on the leg cables that, even with the detail sanded off, beads turned the wrong way were noticeable.  I'd been thinking of trying to replace them with Kotobukiya Mobile Pipe parts, but those wouldn't fit the kit springs I believe...
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 08, 2010, 06:03:20 PM
I've used the pipes from Ako with good results on the Sinanju and would definitely use them again. Woulda used them this time had I known! :lol:

Zaku is done though so pics soon.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 09, 2010, 10:57:21 AM
Crossbone is coming along. Internals are painted as are the yellow and white parts.

I keep thinking about Boba Fett while building this thing since it's got hidden weapons coming out of everywhere.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 09, 2010, 03:47:45 PM
Matt: A heads-up regarding the Mr. Color Metallic Blue... I got some of that and the metallic red the other day. I tested the red and thinned it as much as I normally would with Mr. Leveling Thinner. It sputtered and spider-webbed from my AB. I needed to almost over-thin it to get it to work right. So make sure you test it on scrap first before putting it to the actual model to avoid this issue.

Also, your decals went out today instead of Saturday. Damn insufficient postage :(
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 09, 2010, 07:22:39 PM
Thanks for the heads up.  I am aware if this problem.  I find that with most of the metallics a ratio of 30%-40% paint to 70%-60% thinner is needed sometimes more.  I just keep thinning till it goes through the airbrush.

Thanks for the heads up on the decals as well.  The Blue Astray is the next on my list after the RX-78 2.0.  I have all the parts painted and ready for panel lines on it.  Then on to decals and top coat.  I trying something new for me.  I am leaving the frame glossy along with the metal thrusters I added and using a flat top coat for the armor.  I usualy just do one or the other.  But I think it will be nice on this kit.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 09, 2010, 07:34:34 PM
Cool. Variation in sheen is fun and more eye catching. What would be great is if there were clear Matte or Gloss dry transfers. That'd look slick depending on the application (often looks good in print), but a biotch to photograph.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 10, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
I just did my "good" tests on the Mr. Color Metallic Red.

Over a white primer base:
Kinda pinkish. Slightly metallic but not very, and not a great color for my usual needs.

Over Super Fine Silver:
More metallic, darker. Almost like a candy coat, but with less work so good for small apps where needed. Applying clear red over it could only make it better.

Mixed with Super Fine Silver, sprayed over white:

Neat color, still not what I'm looking for. Metallic mauve.

Over Gray Primer Base:
Looks like metal painted red. Very bland and drab. Reminds me of an old firetruck or grill.

I assume this will be the same for the blue so you might want to try a silver or chrome base-coat to make it really pop.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: Zircor on March 10, 2010, 04:44:46 PM
I just did my "good" tests on the Mr. Color Metallic Red.

Over a white primer base:
Kinda pinkish. Slightly metallic but not very, and not a great color for my usual needs.

Over Super Fine Silver:
More metallic, darker. Almost like a candy coat, but with less work so good for small apps where needed. Applying clear red over it could only make it better.

Mixed with Super Fine Silver, sprayed over white:

Neat color, still not what I'm looking for. Metallic mauve.

Over Gray Primer Base:
Looks like metal painted red. Very bland and drab. Reminds me of an old firetruck or grill.

I assume this will be the same for the blue so you might want to try a silver or chrome base-coat to make it really pop.

Have you tried on a gloss black basecoat?  Just asking because I know a lot of the metallics say to use this to get the best effect.  Just wondering what it would look like.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 10, 2010, 04:48:54 PM
Red's an odd color over darker bases though which is why that didn't even occur to me to try. My concern would be that it just ends up looking like Metallic Maroon. I might try it anyway though.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 10, 2010, 07:26:02 PM
Yikes... So the Crossbone is going together rather easily. I finished painting it today (very dark blue, yellow-orange, med blue, and white was all I needed for the body parts), gave it a coat of Future to seal it fr the panel lines and ended up having time to do the panel lines and give it the pre-decal gloss coat. So tomorrow I start decals and if all goes well this should be done some time this weekend.

And that'll make the 4 needed for the challenge! I still plan to do the GN-X next and to try and complete it before the challenge deadline. However after seeing Kieta's latest work on his I may take a little more time and scribe in some panel lines in addition to what I already had planned color scheme wise.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 13, 2010, 05:04:20 PM
Red's an odd color over darker bases though which is why that didn't even occur to me to try. My concern would be that it just ends up looking like Metallic Maroon. I might try it anyway though.

Red is one of those colors that just doesn't have a lot of pigment no matter the mnufacture or type of paint.  When I was in the business of restoring 55-57 Thunderbirds,  Red was always a bitch usually taking between 6-8 coats of paint rather than the usual 3-4 coats.  This is true with or model paints as well.  I good trick is to mix some of your base color in with your grey or whit primer.  It will help with its hiding power a ton.  Give it a try.  Or if your plastic is red don't prime ay all.  That's what I did with my RX-78 2.0.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 13, 2010, 05:05:55 PM
Just finished the decals on the RX-78 2.0.  I will try to get them sealed tonight with Super clear so I can panel line tomorrow or Monday.  Depends on family things though.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 15, 2010, 10:43:44 AM
My main part of the challenge is done! All the rest is gravy. Posted the Xbone in the gallery.

GN-X is cut/sanded, skewered, primed, and sorted for painting. I keep changing my mind, but I think I may do this one in a slightly violet red color.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 18, 2010, 04:17:01 PM
Progress Report: 

BD Conversion: Done (I know I need pics)
RX-78 2.0: Done (ditto)
Astray Blue Frame:  Great weather today so I got all the parts base coated.  Future tonight for panel line tomorrow Iam about half way done with this one and if the wife will let me keep working while the weather is good.  I should be able to finish this in the next few days
Exia: No progress

2 down 1 1/2 to go.

I amazed at how much I have gotten done with a new baby in the house.  I still might try to do another  BD conversion, I have also toyed with trying to do my Nightengale 2.o conversion from SMS.  We'll see LOL.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 18, 2010, 04:50:14 PM
New babies are easy! It's when they get bigger and don't sleep as much that the challenge begins as you already know IIRC. Looking forward to the pics. (kits, not kids :razz:)
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 18, 2010, 04:57:59 PM
New babies are easy! It's when they get bigger and don't sleep as much that the challenge begins as you already know IIRC. Looking forward to the pics. (kits, not kids :razz:)
Well it's hard to paint with a baby in your arms.  Believe me I've tried.  LOL  I will try to take an informal pic of the 2 completed kits so you no I am not fibbing.  :embarrased:
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 18, 2010, 05:15:08 PM
So Mike I have a question for you.  I now have all of this cool MIG oils and pigments.  One thing that I have learned during this little challenge is one of 2 things. either panel lines are the hardest damn thing or I  just suck at them.  I had a hell of a time with the RX-78.  I think my Future coat was to thick and it filled in a bunch of the lines so I am going to try thinning the Futuer with some Tmiya thinner and try your method of several mist coats

 I would like to try to use some of the MIG oils to panel line the Astray so 2 questions.  How much should I thin the oil with turponoid and 2nd.  How long before I can top coat the oil panel line?  I know this should go in the help section but I thought I would ask here since it pertains to the challenge.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 18, 2010, 05:23:21 PM
No worries! I talked Adam into the new "Starship Filth" color with this stuff specifically in mind. I never measure stuff so it's hard to give you an exact, but probably a little thinner than you would use to airbrush with. If you use a teaspoon of thinner, then just a smudge or two of oils will do.

Too thick with the paint and coats will definitely affect the panel lines and sometimes the paint will just not flow down the lines no matter what you do. That's why I use a thin brush. The excess is easily wiped away after it loses its gloss sheen  with an ever so slightly turp-dampened paper towel scrap.

As for how long afterward, I've added another coat of FFA on these past 4 gundams just after finishing the panel lines. Obviously for thicker jobs like discoloration, waiting a day or two is a must.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 18, 2010, 05:27:27 PM
Thanks for the reply.  I saw the new oils they added so it's cool they are starting to cater to the Sci-Fi guys.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 18, 2010, 08:10:15 PM
OK some pics finally.  Just some quick on camera flash so nothing fancy until I have tim to set up.  You will also see a size comparison to my 1/100 Kyshatryia.

Enjoy:
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6513/mg0005.jpg) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/mg0005.jpg/)
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/953/mg0004.jpg) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/mg0004.jpg/)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/149/mg0007.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/mg0007.jpg/)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2913/mg0008.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/mg0008.jpg/)
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8729/mg0015l.jpg) (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/mg0015l.jpg/)
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9435/mg0016j.jpg) (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/mg0016j.jpg/)
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3943/mg0013.jpg) (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/mg0013.jpg/)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5316/mg0017m.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/mg0017m.jpg/)

To Be Continued!!!!!
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 19, 2010, 05:12:04 AM
Another update: 

Man there is nothing like building like a mad man to learn  ton of things.  What I have learned so far during this challenge:

1.  Thinned Future kicks ass!!!! I mean I though it was good straight from the bottle but thinned I am able to get a glass like finish the first time without all the build up.
2.  I hate panel lining.  I think part of it is that Future straight out the bottle is just to thick and I ended up filling what little detail there was on the RX-78 2.0
3.  Time flies when things are going your way. LOL I was up until 2:00 am putting the first coat of Future on the Astray parts and did not realize that I had been spraying for over 3 hours.
4.  Clean your airbrush,  DUH!!!! Seems obvious but I tore it apart and gave everything a good 2 hour soak in thinner before I started the Astray and I found that most of my dirt problems were coming from my airbrush.  I still have some dirt but it's just a few specks not even noticeable.
5.  Use my other air compressor.  I fired up my big air compressor that I use for my air tools and used it to blow off each part before painting.  It's freaking noisy as hell but much more efficient than canned air.

OK a few picks of the Astray:
As with the RX-78 2.0 I decided not prime any of the parts.  Mainly because I did not want it to be obvious if some paint got scratched off.

The blue parts are Mr. Color Metallic Blue #76 straight out of the bottle.  I love the way it looks and with a gloss coat it really shines
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6650/mg0024.jpg) (http://img297.imageshack.us/i/mg0024.jpg/)
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7091/mg0025.jpg) (http://img297.imageshack.us/i/mg0025.jpg/)
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/746/mg0050.jpg) (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/mg0050.jpg/)

The Metallic parts are a mix of Alclaid Stainless Steel and Jet Exhaust mixed 1/1.  By accident it is almost the same color as the bare plastic but is a little brighter and has a much better shine.
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2204/mg0041.jpg) (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/mg0041.jpg/)

No close ups of the grey or orange parts but the grey is Mr. Color Mitsubishi Grey (the same as on my BD conversion but no pre shading) and the orange parts are Mr. Color fluorescent orange with a few coats of clear yellow on top.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4732/mg0026.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/mg0026.jpg/)

Another tip.  This is how I mix my paint.  I buy these epoxy mixing cups from my LHS.  They are marked in Drams and Oz. and make measure super easy.  Also I use metal mixing tins as a cover on top of my mixed paint so that is readily available and it also keeps dust out.
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5894/mg0028.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/mg0028.jpg/)

Thats it for now. I have to get a lot done today since I am in garage now I have to take advantage of the good weather.  And if you have never been to Texas get this,  it is going to get up to 75 degrees today and then snow tomorrow.  How f*cked up is that.  Every day it's a different season here.

So today I m going to give my MIG oils a try for panel lines.  I plan on mixing Blue and Black oils for the grey and orange parts and straight black for the metallic parts.  I think I might give the fame a wash of black too to bring out all the details.   Then Decals and final coat of Future. This kit has so many detail you could spend a month on just on painting details.  Probably one of the best MG kits put out yet.

Hey Mike, if you have made it through this post LOL.  I love the thinned Future and I want to use it for my final flat coat on the armor as well.  Do I mix the Future with Tamyia flat base as normal then thin that mixture 50/50 with Tamyia Thinner?



Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 19, 2010, 06:50:13 AM
LOL! I actually did read it all. Yeah, thin the future after adding the flat base. Glad you like the technique. I was pretty amazed when I started doing it as well. You'll also start to find it funny when you get the comments "you thin your future?!"

The First two look really good! The BD is especially nice.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 19, 2010, 07:01:04 AM
LOL! I actually did read it all. Yeah, thin the future after adding the flat base. Glad you like the technique. I was pretty amazed when I started doing it as well. You'll also start to find it funny when you get the comments "you thin your future?!"

The First two look really good! The BD is especially nice.

Cool thanks, long post :embarrased:.  I am pretty happy with the BD the RX really isn't that great in my eyes but I still like it.  Anoher thing I have learned that I forgot to put in my list
6.  Doing a clean kit without shading is so much harder.  Mistakes stick out a whole lot more. 
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 20, 2010, 07:04:20 AM
Little update on the Astray and my never ending battle with panel lines.

Inner Frame all done and put together.  Its a lot of blue but once the armor is one I think it will look nice.
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/6676/mg0060.jpg) (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/mg0060.jpg/)
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7110/mg0061.jpg) (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/mg0061.jpg/)


So here is what I used more my panel lines this time:
MIG Oils Faded Navy Blue, Black, and a touch of Snow White
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9878/mg0052.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/mg0052.jpg/)

A 00 Brush
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2554/mg0054.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/mg0054.jpg/)
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2503/mg0055.jpg) (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/mg0055.jpg/)

I mixed the oils with some odorless turponoid to a watery consistency.

Pic of part before panel line.
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4496/mg0053.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/mg0053.jpg/)


Part after panel line before cleaning it up
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7738/mg0056q.jpg) (http://img510.imageshack.us/i/mg0056q.jpg/)
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3258/mg0057c.jpg) (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/mg0057c.jpg/)

I think the lines will look good once all done.  Better than my last attempt.

I do like using the oils.  They are easy to clean up and when thinned enough they flow very nicely.  I am have a little trouble when cleaning them up.  I tend to take to much of the oils off leaving and inconsistent line.  This is one technique that I need lots of practice with.  So since the weather sucks to day I think I will put some decals on some of the other parts and finish up cleaning the panel lines.  I will test one part out with my Flat Future mix to see it fogs over.  It's pretty cold and it's raining so I don't what will happen.

Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 20, 2010, 10:33:10 PM
Final update before all done.  Just finished the decals just going to let them sit over night and then tomorrow final gloss and flat coats of Future, wait 5-6 hours to cure, the final assembly.  WHOOOHOOOO!!!!
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 21, 2010, 04:19:31 PM
Astray is done!!!!

Again just a few quick shots. I will take formal pics of the first 3 tomorrow an put them in the gallery.

So I don't know if you can call my paint custom since it's pretty close to the original but I'm calling it custom to meet thre requirements of the challenge LOL :embarrased:

I must say that I am pretty happy with my panel lines this time.  They could be a little sharper but I am getting there.

Thanks to Mike for selling me his decals.

Not sure of the final pose,  I might change it it but I have a few tiny scratches already.  Luckily you can't see them.
Pics:
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1207/mg0089.jpg) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/mg0089.jpg/)
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1209/mg0086.jpg) (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/mg0086.jpg/)
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3351/mg0090.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/i/mg0090.jpg/)
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5435/mg0091.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/i/mg0091.jpg/)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4007/mg0092.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/mg0092.jpg/)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7993/mg0093.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/mg0093.jpg/)
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6063/mg0096.jpg) (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/mg0096.jpg/)

3 Down one to go.  Just working on color scheme for Exia.  Thinking a Yin Yang kid of look.  Also toying with a chrome or super silver frame.  I already have a pose in mind so I think once I finalize the pose I will be ready to paint because if I do chrome or super silver I am sure to get scratches if I try to change the pose.

Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mtomczek on March 21, 2010, 07:52:25 PM
The Astray looks great Matt! Really like the blue panel lines on it. All these MG's being built makes me want to build some of my bajillions of MG's sitting around.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 21, 2010, 08:26:32 PM
Thank you sir!!  I'm pretty happy with it.  First time I used flattened Future and first time thinning Future for gloss coat and I am a total convert. No more super clear for me.  I have been having isues with my panel lines.  For some reason they are hard for me but I thought they turned out pretty good.

I will get some "real photos" tomorrow.  I guess I should since I am a photographer. :sarcasm:
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 21, 2010, 08:32:30 PM
The Astray looks great Matt! Really like the blue panel lines on it. All these MG's being built makes me want to build some of my bajillions of MG's sitting around.

Well stop building bad ass resin kits and kit some plastic dust in those lungs.  Of course after you so the 1/35 Stamen.  :razz:
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: epyon3245234 on March 24, 2010, 02:49:21 PM
It's been quite a while since I had anything to update on my progress. Delay after delay have kept my projects at a standstill. Rainy days for the last couple weeks had completely halted my painting, but finally today I was able to start painting on my unicorn gundam's frame, and was able to get a primer coat on my victory gundam. Hopefully I will have enough dry days this week to finish up on the frames, and get started painting the armor parts. I'm going to have to push pretty hard while I have some dry weather to make up for all this lost time.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 25, 2010, 08:08:37 PM
Final update for me.  Just finished decals on the Exia. Final top coats tomorrow and assembly then on to the gallery along with the other 3.  Can't believe I got 4 kits done in 4 weeks.  Unreal for me.  I think as a bonus I am going to tackle my Nightengale 2.0 conversion.  I hope to get it done under the April 30th deadline.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 26, 2010, 06:07:15 AM
Awesome! Pretty amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it. I think that I'll have my Leto sculpt done and the GN-X as well as starting something like the Dino before the actual deadline. Woo!
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on March 26, 2010, 08:00:25 PM
All done!!!!
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7554/mg0482.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mg0482.jpg)

Link to gallery: http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?topic=5550.0
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on April 22, 2010, 12:50:40 PM
#5 is done 1/100 Unicorn.   :razz:
http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?topic=5617.0


(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6035/046ah.jpg) (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/046ah.jpg/)

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Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: FichtenFoo on April 22, 2010, 03:28:11 PM
Looks good! I like the blue green.

I finished up my GN-X last week and need to photograph it. (The dino is done too) so that makes 7 kits finished since this started, although 2 are not MGs.
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on April 22, 2010, 04:26:18 PM
Thanks.  I just retook all the picks on Black.  The white background doesn't show off the shading I did.  With all the time I spent pre shading I want it to show dam it.  LOL
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: mvm3897 on April 22, 2010, 05:54:19 PM
What do you think of the Purple on the thrusters?  It's Alclad Hot Metal Violet. 
Title: Re: MGX4 Challenge
Post by: tetsujin on April 30, 2010, 01:17:55 PM
Well, the whole thing really didn't work out for me...  Work room has been in shambles ever since the flooding we got in mid-March...