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Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 17, 2005, 06:37:55 AM
Please ask all of your airbrush and compressor questions here. This includes help with airbrushing, etc...

I swear, if I see one more new thread started about "is this a good airbrush/compressor?" I'm going to scream.  <_< Those threads will be locked.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: GAINAX on October 18, 2005, 01:57:56 AM
Can you recomend a compressor that isn't too pricey, but dos the job? :)
Thanks!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: gamerabaenre on October 18, 2005, 02:50:34 PM
Personally, I have an Iwata Smart Jet.  I like all the features it has.

Here's a comparison chart:
http://www.dixieart.com/Compressor_Comparison_Charts.html
Its pretty much what you want your air compressor to be, silent, oiless, + moisture trap/regulator, etc etc.  And that equates to money.  Do some on line searching for some reviews.  We can only suggest what we personally have and that may not be in your price range because I don't believe any of us here are in the business of selling air compressors.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: GAINAX on October 19, 2005, 05:43:44 AM
Thanks :)
Do you know if this would be any good?
I've never even seen a compressor before, sorry for the noobie question :)
http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=8_89999111&products_id=70305

It has a maximum pressure of 2.6 bar, produces 15 litres of air per minute and a 0.25 litre air tank.
I also have a Revell airbrush... o.O
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: prettyboy on October 24, 2005, 08:07:41 PM
Hi, I just found a good dual action airbrush set but it does not come with a compressor so I will have to buy it separately. I am wondering since the painting will be strictly on Gundam models what the PSI should be, and since I live in an apartment I cannot(to my knowledge) build a test booth, so is it safe to paint my kits outside? And since I'm only 14 year old I do not know much about airbrushing except reading Michael's "How to build a MG Gundam" around 10 times so I am still not really familiar with air brushing requirements for a MG Gundam  :cry: . Hope you guys can answer my question!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Jonkokyan on October 27, 2005, 08:09:13 PM
Can you guys give me some advices on airbrush needles?
When do you guys use fine, medium or large needle?
Thank You very much :D
Title: Very informative airbrushing website!!
Post by: fear no evil on November 14, 2005, 06:54:12 AM
I recently found an excellent website all about airbrushing.

Its very informative, has  tutorials and helpful hints for nearly everyone who's thinking about airbrushing or has an airbrush.

http://www.howtoairbrush.com/Lindex.htm
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Scarylion on November 14, 2005, 07:22:58 AM
My airbrush seems to be spitting condensation or something will a moisture trap/filter stop this?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 14, 2005, 07:25:27 AM
Quote from: "Scarylion"
My airbrush seems to be spitting condensation or something will a moisture trap/filter stop this?


A moisture trap will fix that. You're basically getting condensation in your air hose. You can get a cheap in-line moisture trap to fix that. Search for moisture trap here for a thread about it.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: fear no evil on November 14, 2005, 07:26:59 AM
yes
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Scarylion on November 14, 2005, 07:28:44 AM
Quote from: "FichtenFoo"

A moisture trap will fix that. You're basically getting condensation in your air hose. You can get a cheap in-line moisture trap to fix that. Search for moisture trap here for a thread about it.


Excellent, ta :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: dc2099 on November 22, 2005, 03:02:46 PM
Hi,
I've just started  modelling and have a few airbrush questions.
Now I have a cheap Testors air brush from wal-mart and I'm using Aerosol(sp?) cans,but
when I have the money I plan on getting a decent airbrush.
Which compressor would you reccomend,preferably around $100 but I'll go up to $150?
And which air brush around $60-80?
Also, I need a regulator and a moisture trap right,is there anything else?
I did do a search on"airbrush" but I wanted answers a little more specific to my scenario.
Thanks.
By the way great site, Your guys' models are amazing!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Mrex-sgundam on November 22, 2005, 03:16:13 PM
Here you go I hope this helps

Airbrush
http://www.dixieart.com/Paasche_V_VJR_VSR90.html

compressor
http://www.dixieart.com/Paasche_Compressors.html

There all in your price range and are good for modeling from what I hear :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Jonkokyan on November 22, 2005, 09:55:24 PM
Which airbrush is better, Iwata HP-CH or Gunze Spray Gun Set Pro-Spray Procon Boy WA Platinum?
Iwata HP-CH: http://jonkokyan.tripod.com/pictures/iwatahpch.html
Gunze Spray Gun Set Pro-Spray Procon Boy WA Platinum: http://jonkokyan.tripod.com/pictures/gunzewa.html
Thank you for your suggestion.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: dc2099 on November 23, 2005, 08:11:46 AM
Quote from: "Mrex-sgundam"
Here you go I hope this helps

Airbrush
http://www.dixieart.com/Paasche_V_VJR_VSR90.html

compressor
http://www.dixieart.com/Paasche_Compressors.html

There all in your price range and are good for modeling from what I hear :)

Thanks alot!
I also saw the Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS,would you reccomend that or the Paasche VSR-90?
And then I just need a moisture trap and regulator,right?(And and a hose if I get the Eclipse.)
EDIT: One more question Will the Iwata compressors work with Paasche airbrushes and vice versa
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Mrex-sgundam on November 23, 2005, 08:33:10 AM
Yea since your starting out I would say the passche VSR-90 its cheaper and comes with more than the Iwata your looking at.

Yep, you should have a regulator and moisture trap
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: dc2099 on November 23, 2005, 08:47:55 AM
OK Thanks you have been very helpful.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Mrex-sgundam on November 23, 2005, 08:54:19 AM
no prob
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: jubjub64 on November 23, 2005, 09:21:30 AM
I own a Iwata HP-BCS and I really like it.  I also have a Badger 100LG whigh is a gravity feed.  Both do a very good job.  But when I am painting models I find the gravity feed is better.  Why? Because it requires less air pressure to spray properly.  Syphon feed brushes like the HP-BCS need a little more air pressure to pull the paint up the tube and into the brush.  But if you will use the brush for more than models (t-shirts and other lagrer canvas) I would stick to a good syphon feed airbrush like the HP-BCS.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Peter Hon on November 28, 2005, 12:24:44 AM
This is my first post, so I figured I'll ask a question:  

Has anyone used the Tamiya Spray Work Basic Compressor w/ Airbrush?  

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=74520

For my needs and budget, it seems to be a reasonable price, and I can upgrade to a better brush using the same compressor.  What I want to know is:

1)  Is the basic airbrush any good?  Never used an airbrush, and I think I will mainly be using it for paint/FFA applications (no shadowing).

2)  How does the compressor stack up (or how well does it perform, just to be clear)?  


Any opinions are appreciated.  Thanks again!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on November 30, 2005, 11:04:36 AM
I have an Iwata hp-bcs (syphon feed) and also a hp-cs (gravity feed) and these both work great.I think Iwata has the best airbrush out, in its user friendliness and /or repairs.

As for comprssors I use one that I got from Home depot for about $100. It came with a tank and adjusters for air psi. Add an inline trap for about $15 and your good to go.This compressor is alittle noisy but it sure works good for the money.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Peter Hon on November 30, 2005, 11:31:51 AM
Phew... I just ordered the Iwata Revolution HP-CS and a Aztek Testors AirCompressor from Amazon.  It was a impulse buy, but I figured I might as well buy a good airbrush now, instead of using a crap one and upgrading up... :P

I wasn't sure if I should get a industrial compressor, because I don't think I 'll be painting anything larger than gundams around the house. :wink:

Good to hear the Iwata is recommended!  Thanks for the info, Oteebzo!  :D
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Scarylion on November 30, 2005, 12:21:28 PM
ahh I too purchased a  Iwata HP-CS just yesterday, and got a free Iwata Pistol Grip Moisture Filter with it, which is nice :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mjbolin on November 30, 2005, 04:06:15 PM
So how was that compressor and airbrush? Does that compressor work well for the price? Because i have been peeking at those airbrushes for a while.

And i would mainly be doing models, and rarely anything else, but what are the big pros and cons of bottom loading and a top loading brush? Do you save paint by using the top loading?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: jubjub64 on November 30, 2005, 06:06:53 PM
Take a look at this article...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/25825/428/
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Peter Hon on December 01, 2005, 12:51:34 AM
Scarylion, that's a interesting coincidence.  

Did you buy it online, or at a shop?  

Off topic:

How are things in the UK?  :D
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Scarylion on December 01, 2005, 04:39:35 AM
Got it online :) they gave me the filter free as an apology for there credit card thingy going funny and charging me twice, they refunded me the difference and put the filter in as an apology :)

it actualy makes it pretty comfortable to use.

Off topic:

cold and wet :(
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Peter Hon on December 01, 2005, 09:54:30 AM
hmmm, now you got me thinking about getting one for myself... :shifty:

Also:

Seattle is cold and wet as well, though it looks like it might snow.  :D

JubJub64:  Thanks for putting up that article.  ^_^
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on December 01, 2005, 02:30:36 PM
I personally like the gravity feed better for modeling. You use less psi and less paint ,so that means you have less clean up too  :)
Title: Dual airbrush Problem
Post by: kenickie on December 15, 2005, 02:36:56 PM
Hi,

I have an aztek dual action airbrush. Well it was dual action till now. My airbrush currently is leaking paint when it should be on air mode. Would anyone know what has been damage in the airbrush to cause this. No rattling sound inside the airbrush either.
Title: Re: Dual airbrush Problem
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 15, 2005, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: "kenickie"
Hi,

I have an aztek dual action airbrush. Well it was dual action till now. My airbrush currently is leaking paint when it should be on air mode. Would anyone know what has been damage in the airbrush to cause this. No rattling sound inside the airbrush either.


Make sure your needle is pushed all the way forward and is not bent. You may need to give your airbrush a good cleaning too.
Title: Paasche VL Problem
Post by: lh_07 on December 26, 2005, 02:32:32 PM
Hey all,

I decided to start my posting escapades on this forum with a question. I suppose an introduction would be nice though. I've been modelling for about 3-4 years now although I took a 1 year break last year. I'm just trying to get back into it with a Zeta + C1 I'm working on. I used to post on the CoM forums under the screen name "Maverick", don't know if anybody recognizes it.
Like I said, I'm working on a Z+ and I've got everything primed and ready to paint. However, when I actually do start painting my Paasche VL airbrush doesn't work properly. The thing is, I can let air out but no paint will spray. I've used the airbrush before so I know it worked about a year ago. I did a full cleaning of it and disassembled/reassembled it. I checked the needle for any problems but nothing's showing up on the radar. I've tried spraying water and it doesn't work. I put my finger up to the part that the paint cup attaches to but I don't feel any suction. So I guess the problem is that the paint is not being sucked up. I'm pretty sure it's not clogged up because I can spray stuff that doesn't require suction (ie. when I put a bottle of alcohol upside down and gravity feed it through).
I also googled this problem and found someone who seems to have the exact same issue. Her final solution was to just send it back and get a new airbrush. I really hope I don't have to do that but I might take advantage of this boxing week stuff and go airbrush shopping if it really comes down to it. So if anyone has any ideas or suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it. Looking forward to being a part of this wonderful community. Thanks in advance.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 26, 2005, 02:49:55 PM
Hi Maverick...

Is it a detatchable paint-cup? I had that problem once and as it turns out, my tube for my paint cup had clogged with the paper towel I used for cleaning it. I used a pipe cleaner to remedy that.  

Also make sure that your needle chuck is tight. Check to see that when you pull back on the trigger that the needle moves back. If not, then you just need to twist the tightening knob. I've done that before as well.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Scarylion on December 26, 2005, 03:20:29 PM
There should be a tiny pin hole on the lid of your paint cup, check it isnt blocked by dry paint,    Caused similar problems for me.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: lh_07 on December 27, 2005, 12:50:42 PM
Hey guys,

Thanks for the replies. Checked the suggestions you guys gave but both of them check out. The paint cup seems fine since I tried to use a brand new paint cup containing only water and it still didn't work. Needle chuck is tight, no problems there. I'm thinking I'm just going to retire this airbrush since it HAS been awhile since I last bought anything for modelling. Any recommendations for a new airbrush? I'm looking into an Iwata since I hear good things about them but I'm open to anything really.

Cheers.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 27, 2005, 03:20:42 PM
Oh no! I'm asking a compressor question! :lol:

My compressor seems to be dying slowly. It's lived a good life though and has lasted me for more than 36 kits (hundreds of layers of Future) and about 4-5 years. It seems to be losing pressure and where it used to spray a good 25-30 psi is now down to about 15 at full pressure. I'm starting to notice it affect my paint coats as well.

Anyway, I was looking at the Iwata Sprint ($159) and Smart Jet ($199) compressors at Dixie Art. Any experience or recommendations between the two? I'm leaning towards the Sprint for price, but if there's any reason I shouldn't let me know.

Also if you guys know a better place to buy them where I can possibly get a combo deal with an HP-C or HP-B, that'd be FANTASTIC.

Thanks!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: jubjub64 on December 27, 2005, 05:46:12 PM
HP-C with compressor (http://cgi.ebay.com/IWATA-HP-C-AIRBRUSH-W-Quiet-AIR-COMPRESSOR-with-TANK_W0QQitemZ8246519177QQcategoryZ28111QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
This isn't the compressor that you were looking at but I highly recommend it.  It has been an excellent compressor for me.  One thing I like about it is the additional tank which means it doesn't have to run all the time which means it stays cooler longer.  Anyway I think its a great deal.  Good luck choosing!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: GunDom on December 27, 2005, 09:29:44 PM
Ah!  Compressor question...  Well, let's start off with the selections at hand.  I had a Sprint Jet compressor prior to the mishap in my hobby life.  If you care less about the auto shut off, then my suggestion is the Sprint due to it's price.  If you don't want the motor running while not in use, the simplest way is to buy a cheap surge protector with an off/on switch.  That beats the heck out of the $199.  I'm not sure what other features the Smart has, but from my recollection, the Sprint did it's job well while it lasted.  If anyone is wondering why we need a darn surge protector if it has an off/on switch, well, you can set up the surge protector near your spray area to easily reach the switch instead of using the compressors' switch.  Beats the heck out of bending down and reaching for that switch.

I personally have a TC2000 with the foot pedal.  Power off/on on demand.  However, after checking Dixieart, it seems like the one I have is no longer available.  It is now an auto shut-off which I'm not really pleased about.  I don't like the idea of the motor running while not in use.  Well why not buy a cheap surge protector for it?  What for?  A manual off/on switch for an auto shut-off?  Kinda like a dumb idea.  I'd rather get the Sprint.  

Now I can suggest a tank compressor, but I don't know how good the pressure is when the air pressure goes down.  When I was in the body shop business, my boss bought this tank compressor that does not lose pressure whatever level the air pressure is at.  I had asked him to replace his sorry-ass compressor, because of that problem.  Yeah it was expensive, but my paint jobs came out great.  Didn't have to fiddle with the regulator during low pressure and refill.  So I guess suggestion one is best.   :wink:

<<EDIT>>

As far as an  on-line store with a compressor/air brush combo, I think airheadairbrush.com has it if I'm not mistaken.  Then again, the last time I checked that site was about 2 years ago.  I'm sure there have been changes since.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 28, 2005, 09:27:13 AM
Awesome, thanks for the info. I figured you'd know.  Sprint Jet it will be whenever I go to get one. I didn't see combo deals on the other site though, but thanks for the link.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Jonkokyan on December 28, 2005, 08:10:07 PM
Hello, I would like to get a new airbrush. I am interesting on the Iwata Hp-C Plus and Iwata HP-CH. Anyone knows which one is better for modeling? Any other suggestions will be nice to hear. Thank you very much.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on December 29, 2005, 09:33:20 AM
Go to bearair.com , they have a chart that shows you what is better for what media. I think they say that the hp-c was good for modeling. It has  .3 needle so it gets very fine detail work.And they also have the best prices I think, better then dixieart and coast airbrushing. Hope this helps :D
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mjbolin on December 31, 2005, 10:09:40 PM
What is the difference between a direct drive compressor. I do not exactly know what it means and I am wondering if it makes a difference? Can direct drive compressors be used for airbrushing?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: xeno on January 01, 2006, 04:07:18 AM
has anyone built a compressor? I'm planning to and i need to know what is an ideal pressure to cut off/on the motor
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: ProfessorOhki on January 01, 2006, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: "xeno"
has anyone built a compressor? I'm planning to and i need to know what is an ideal pressure to cut off/on the motor


Nope. My purchased compressor cuts off at about 70 psi, but there is a regulator before the air line to make sure it never spits out more than you want it to.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: xeno on January 01, 2006, 10:33:32 PM
thanks for the info. can you also tell me when does it cut in
Title: Gunze Sangyo Mr Linear Compressor
Post by: Doly Sinaga on January 12, 2006, 12:21:34 AM
Anyone ever used Gunze Sangyo Mr Linear Compressor?

Is it very noisy? I'm looking for a very silent compressor.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Modena313 on January 17, 2006, 10:02:09 PM
Hello everyone -- this is my first time in this forum.  I am a newbie wanting to get into gunpla - I've built two gundams (1/144 Leopard from Gundam X and a 1/100 Wing Zero Custom) in my life but both have been OOB, snap'em'together and that's it.  Only realized now after reading this and a couple of other websites for a few months what it really means to build a gundam model.  Lucky for me, my Wing Zero was poorly constructed and I've been able to disassemble it to use as my first trial run.  Will head to asia in June so hopefully will bring a few new ones back.

Okay, now here comes the questions.  I don't have a lot of $ to invest in equipment, so need to make the right choices:

1.  If instructions are followed, do airbrushes break easy?  I'm wondering if I should buy a cheap single action first, then invest in a double action later? Or is that a waste of money as I'll find myself wanting the dual action really soon?

2.  I couldn't find any threads about using air cans.  Compressors are expensive and I'm wondering if using air cans would be okay until i feel comfortable with it.  I know they lose pressure as you use them, but wasn't sure if for modelling its good enough for a noob?  How "long" (know that depends on use) does an aircan last?  If it doesn't even last a single model, then i'll go buy a compressor (cost seems to be approx 12:1).

Other questions, off topic in this threadbut thought I'd avoid posting multiple message (let me know if this is not preferred)

3.  In my research about building spraybooths, I saw one with a carbon filter.  Is that needed? Or is a bathroom fan all I need?  If I spray outside, I assume that a booth is not needed at all?

4.  Do you need to use a respirator or can a disposable dusk mask suffice?

Thanks for your help.  Much appreciated as I hope to be able to contribute as a builder soon.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Deepstriker on January 17, 2006, 10:59:06 PM
To answer a few of your questions Modena 313:

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1. If instructions are followed, do airbrushes break easy? I'm wondering if I should buy a cheap single action first, then invest in a double action later? Or is that a waste of money as I'll find myself wanting the dual action really soon?


Of course when you take proper care and follow instructions, anything can last a long time. But the advice regarding single or double action, its really about how far you want to go with your modelling. Also, if you slowly learn how to use a single action properly, some dual action techniques can be managed (ie: lowering psi, very low to spray finer lines)

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2. I couldn't find any threads about using air cans. Compressors are expensive and I'm wondering if using air cans would be okay until i feel comfortable with it. I know they lose pressure as you use them, but wasn't sure if for modelling its good enough for a noob? How "long" (know that depends on use) does an aircan last? If it doesn't even last a single model, then i'll go buy a compressor (cost seems to be approx 12:1).


Once again, this is about how far you want to take your modelling. If you build 1-3 models a year, an aircan sounds great. But for most, we buy a compressor because we plan to continue our modelling, its really your call. (Cost vs. How much will you use it)

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3. In my research about building spraybooths, I saw one with a carbon filter. Is that needed? Or is a bathroom fan all I need? If I spray outside, I assume that a booth is not needed at all?


If you want to destroy your fan quickly, and fill it with paint, then please do not use a filter. Filters are used to keep out particles you dont want, and it also makes the environment a better place by not spraying those particles straight outside. Some use cardboard boxes, or another type of cutaway to keep fumes in a certain area, bathrooms fans assist the fumes by blowing them out the window. If you spray outside, most also spray into a cardboard box because once again, the fumes. And also, if you get wind blowing against you, you may end up with paint in your eyes.

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4. Do you need to use a respirator or can a disposable dusk mask suffice?


Definately use a respirator if you plan to airbrush, normal dust masks are not built to handle strong fumes, and rarely work. I used them before, but even still it just kills your lungs and you can smell everything. Better to be safe than sorry.

Hope this answers your questions, lets see some work built soon!  :wink:
Title: new airbrush
Post by: Muad Dib on January 23, 2006, 10:01:53 PM
Hey all;

Sorry, I'm dumb. I figured it out. :oops:
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: StormKat on January 30, 2006, 05:21:10 PM
Peter Hon,  In an earlier post you said that you got an HP-CR and a Testors AC300.  What kind of airhose did you use to connect them and where did you get it?  I just received an HP-CR and I'd like to connect it to my AC300.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: xeno on February 11, 2006, 11:16:31 PM
Has anyone use the Sparmax brand of airbrush? if so how do they compare to the other japanese brand
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Deepstriker on February 12, 2006, 04:29:31 PM
I'm using a DH-2 by Sparmax (after switching from a crappy badger). Sparmax is definately the best bang for the buck, the one i have is basically an Olympus copy, and the parts are much cheaper. Same results, and very fine needle, also the brush is very easy to control.

I really recomend them as an airbrush  :D
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Peter Hon on February 13, 2006, 02:52:57 AM
Hey, Storm Kat.  

Unfortunately, I threw away the bag that came with my air hose.  I'm not going to tell you which kind of hose to get, because frankly, I'm not quite sure what kind of hose it is (nothing particularly fancy).

It may be a good idea to go to your local hobby shop (the one's that sell compressors and airbrushes) and ask about that.  Bring your airbrush and compressor along, so you can get a test fitting on the airhose.  The fellow at my local hobby shop helped me out on this, and sold me on the Aztek Airbrush Cleaner, which helps with containing the fumes while I clean my brush.

Specifically ask about air hoses for the Iwata, because I don't think the compressor end is going to be a problem (some one please correct me if I'm wrong).

I hope that helps... :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: StormKat on February 13, 2006, 07:50:44 AM
Thanks!  I've had that cleaning station for quite a while now and it has worked out great.

I got a bonus at work so I went ahead took the Revolution back and splurged on a new Iwata airbrush and Sprint Jet compressor from Dixie Art.   They better get here soon, I'm starting to have withdrawls.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: xeno on February 13, 2006, 10:47:56 PM
to Deepstriker, do you know the differentce between the dh-X  and the dh-10X model
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: belmont_a on March 17, 2006, 04:40:10 AM
Hi, I'm new to modelling. so far I've only built some out of box gundam and planning to learn more.
I'm planning to get airbrush
Can anybody tell me the difference between these two types? Sparmax DH-103 and Sparmax DH-115?
http://www.sparmax.com.tw/airbrushes.htm
Since the price difference between these two is neglectible, I want to know which one is better. I've read the some airbrush explanation ,but I still does not understand what's the difference between "color Feed Preset Handle" on DH-103 and "With pre-set colour flow control" on DH-115.
DeepStriker mentioned that he used DH-2 and satisfied with it, but based on the spec, can I safely assumed that both DH-103 and DH-115 are better than DH-2? or Should I just get the DH-2 or DH-3.
thanks in advance.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Shingo on March 19, 2006, 10:44:05 PM
Hi,

I'm a complete noob when it comes to airbrushing and compressors. I don't even know which are the good manufacturers and such so I just went on ebay and searched for a compressor.

Click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/AIRBRUSH-AIR-COMPRESSOR-1-PRO-DUAL-ACTION-KIT-7801_W0QQitemZ8269335477QQcategoryZ28111QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

this one seemed to have most of the stuff you guys mentioned such as oil less design, moisture filter, regulator, and etc. The price seems a bit too good to be true? So I was wondering if I'm over looking some important factors when choosing a compressor. Please help this noob out
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: belmont_a on March 20, 2006, 04:44:05 AM
Quote from: "Shingo"

Click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/AIRBRUSH-AIR-COMPRESSOR-1-PRO-DUAL-ACTION-KIT-7801_W0QQitemZ8269335477QQcategoryZ28111QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

this one seemed to have most of the stuff you guys mentioned such as oil less design, moisture filter, regulator, and etc. The price seems a bit too good to be true? So I was wondering if I'm over looking some important factors when choosing a compressor. Please help this noob out


I am noob too, but in my lhs, they mostly sell compressor with 80 psi, so I don't know if 40 psi is enough. the rest of specs looks good.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on March 20, 2006, 05:08:09 AM
40 is plenty... I usually run mine at 10-25 psi.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Scarylion on March 20, 2006, 07:34:08 AM
hmm i got the same airbrush (in that bundle) from ebay a while back, it works fine, apart from the fact that the paint jar connecter tube thingy kept falling out, but a bit of sellotape fixed that :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Shingo on March 20, 2006, 09:51:04 AM
What do those tanks do and do people who mainly use it for modeling purposes need a tank?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Jonkokyan on May 20, 2006, 09:30:04 PM
The Nozzle of my Iwara HP-CH is broken. Everytime I clean up my airbrush, I put the nozzle into the lacquer thinner. I would like to know is it the lacquer thinner is strong and broke the nozzle? or is it because I disassembly and reassembly the airbrush when I clean it up, and over time it breaks? Is it not normal that it breaks? or it should never break if use it and clean it correctly? Anyone has this kind of experience and gives me some good adivces.
Thank you
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on May 20, 2006, 09:51:57 PM
They do break over time. I always keep a spare just in case something like this happens
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: BM2 on May 21, 2006, 06:34:33 AM
My only concern is the claim "we manufacture our own compressors" smells fishy- looks like Paasche compressor -most likley rebuilts with cheap guts-note the vent placement-

thiers
(http://www.airbrushcity.com/7801.jpg)
 Paasche-
(http://www.paascheairbrush.com/img/D500.jpg)
cheap compressors get real hot -fast -and they dont last long
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: BM2 on May 21, 2006, 06:56:16 AM
Quote from: "Deepstriker"
I'm using a DH-2 by Sparmax (after switching from a crappy badger). Sparmax is definately the best bang for the buck, the one i have is basically an Olympus copy, and the parts are much cheaper. Same results, and very fine needle, also the brush is very easy to control.

I really recomend them as an airbrush  :D

interesting -considering Sparmax appears to be knock-offs of Badger (thayer Chandler) and Paasche airbrushes-
I currently own-
(http://www.badgerairbrush.com/images/175.jpg)
Cresendo 175
(http://www.badgerairbrush.com/images/200bf.jpg)
200 NH
(http://www.badgerairbrush.com/images/350.jpg)
350 -(it was a gift)
and the Old robins egg blue aztek before they were sold by Testors
I love my Badgers!-
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/[/u]
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Jonkokyan on May 21, 2006, 08:30:27 AM
Quote from: "oteebzo"
They do break over time. I always keep a spare just in case something like this happens


That's not a good news for me  :( , but thanks for telling me that, so i will keep a spare in case it happens again. Since the nozzles break over time and this explains why Iwata sets the nozzle's price so expensive. This tiny little part cost the same as a mg kit.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mr_speedball on May 26, 2006, 12:29:50 PM
I have a question for compressers which is better a higher output or a lower output say 30-40psi or about 20 psi?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Major Blah on May 26, 2006, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: "mr_speedball"
I have a question for compressers which is better a higher output or a lower output say 30-40psi or about 20 psi?


Hard to understand your question without proper punctuation, this might be the answer:

30-40psi ---> higher
20 psi ---> lower
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mr_speedball on May 27, 2006, 12:08:44 PM
okay let me rephrase that

I have a question for compressers, which is bette?r a higher output, or a lower output, say 30-40psi, or about 20 psi?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on May 27, 2006, 12:16:57 PM
Higher... then buy a pressure regulator at Walmart to adjust down to your liking.

Please think before you post to make your questions easier to answer.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on June 03, 2006, 07:53:22 PM
Not sure if anyone here has one. But I am working on my new work shop and I am wondering about an indoor spraybooth. I bought all wood and fans and pipe to go out side and realized that this will not work ,and I have to consider a indoor booth with a filter. So if anyone has any info on this please help. I have googled it and seem to come up with very expensive items to work it, but there has te be another way.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: jubjub64 on June 04, 2006, 11:01:15 AM
Do you mean you want info on which pre-built spraybooth is best or are you asking about making your own spraybooth?  I personally would recommend making your own spraybooth since the design is not that complicated.  If you buy a powerful bathroom fan and insert it into the back of a wooden box you basically have a spraybooth.  There are still the issues of filters and tubing but that isn't too hard either.  Either way you go you should still use a respirator.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on June 05, 2006, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: "jubjub64"
Do you mean you want info on which pre-built spraybooth is best or are you asking about making your own spraybooth?  I personally would recommend making your own spraybooth since the design is not that complicated.  If you buy a powerful bathroom fan and insert it into the back of a wooden box you basically have a spraybooth.  There are still the issues of filters and tubing but that isn't too hard either.  Either way you go you should still use a respirator.



I am building. I bought all the stuff to make it , I am just wondering if anyone had any info on an indoor set up. Maybe if there was a filter I could use instead of trying to run a vent house out side. Everything I seem to find is very expensive. So it comes down to finding a way to send it outside.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: jubjub64 on June 05, 2006, 10:13:41 AM
I agree, even with filters the exhaust needs to go outside.  The filter does not get rid of all hazardous fumes, just larger particles.
Title: Airbrush Awareness Week
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 25, 2006, 02:09:32 PM
Clean Airbrush Awareness Week!
June 25 to July 1st 2006

In honor of this being the first time I've ever taken my airbrush COMPLETELY apart to clean it, let's make this Clean Airbrush Awareness Week.

Please take a few minutes this week to clean your airbrush very VERY well.

Normally I just take off the heads, remove the needle, and clean those with thinner and then swab the needle shaft with a pipe-cleaner. However my AB performance has been worse and worse lately. It got bad enough today that I dissassembled my whole AB from front to back. (My good AB, not my primer/alclad one. It's fine, but next anyway!) Cleaning under/behind the trigger revealed a world of filth I never imagined. Afterwards it felt like a new airbrush and sprayed beautifully again!

Now go! Clean! And spray happy!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on June 25, 2006, 02:41:54 PM
Foo , you use a different AB for different paints?I use one for primer and another for paint but I thought it was just me to use different AB for each thing.

Oh and I strip my AB every time I use . That s probaly why I hate to use it sometimes. :D
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 25, 2006, 02:51:23 PM
Well, I don't wanna gum up my top-coat AB with undercoat and lacquers. It was more a precautionary thing at first which just became my normal procedure.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: maxwinamp on June 25, 2006, 04:52:16 PM
I just dismantle and clean my Procon 0.2mm and Paasche Millenium over the weekend.
Wow.. so much gunk in the paasche.
I also added one drop of Singer Sewing machine oil at the shaft of the trigger.
Works GREAT.. smooth as silk.  :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Maschinen Krueger on June 26, 2006, 08:00:09 AM
Pipe cleaners are sometimes not small enough, I use the small teeth cleaners, that look like small bottle scrubbers by Oral -B and whoever. The wound wire diameter is much smaller and the bristles are finer for that deep down body clean. Since the bristles are nylon or something like that, they resist sovlents. chuck it into a pin vise, a dowel or an alligator clip and use as a pipe cleaner.

To get into the cone on my Badger, I yanked a wire out of a wire brush and use it to clean out the hole. I've used the same airbrush for 21 years.
Title: Airbrush
Post by: babychu on July 07, 2006, 06:22:45 PM
Is this a good air brush to start with making Gundam model, IWATA Eclipse HP - BCS
Title: Re: Airbrush
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 07, 2006, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: "babychu"
Is this a good air brush to start with making Gundam model, IWATA Eclipse HP - BCS


It's a better airbrush than I have... so yes!
Title: super noob question
Post by: bean on July 07, 2006, 09:01:50 PM
I just got a badger 150 set that had pretty much everything but a needle (there's a needle in the airbrush but the other needle that comes with it was missing).  I guess my question is this: how can you tell what needle goes with what head? AND how do you tell the size of the head and needle? are there markings of some sort?
Title: Re: super noob question
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 08, 2006, 05:47:40 AM
Quote from: "bean"
I just got a badger 150 set that had pretty much everything but a needle (there's a needle in the airbrush but the other needle that comes with it was missing).  I guess my question is this: how can you tell what needle goes with what head? AND how do you tell the size of the head and needle? are there markings of some sort?


It's the shape for one, but for the 175, there's notches on the back of the needle. 1 - 3 notches. 2 being medium and 1 being either fine or large, can't remember.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: bean on July 08, 2006, 09:48:59 AM
awesome, thanks.  What about the heads?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 08, 2006, 10:07:01 AM
Fine and Large have an L and F marked on them. Medium has nothing.

http://www.badger-airbrush.com
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: bean on July 08, 2006, 10:49:49 AM
awesome, thanks for the quick reply.  really appreciate it.  Keep up the good work!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: jubjub64 on July 08, 2006, 03:33:14 PM
Quote

Is this a good air brush to start with making Gundam model, IWATA Eclipse HP - BCS



I have that brush, it will fit your model painting needs just fine.  But if you can, I would get a gravity feed airbrush like the HP-BC.  If you stick with the HP-BCS I would get alot of small (I think 4 ounces) airbrush bottles.
Title: Isopropyl alcohol 100% & Aztek A4709
Post by: hky on July 12, 2006, 09:27:50 AM
Hi!

Im new to this board and id like to introduce myself.

My name is Thomas and I come from Sweden, im new to painting with an AB.

I just got myself an aztek A4709 dual action, maybe not the wisest choice after reading through countless of posts on what ppl use, but then again I have nothing to refer to as Ive never used an AB before and being a noob I need to start somewhere.

So being a padawan learner my questions are many, but reading through this forum I got many answers answered.

Id like to ask you, since the A4709 is mostly made of plastic is there any danger in using isopropyl alcohol 100% for thinning colors and for cleaning the AB? I wouldnt want the AB to melt =D

Concerning the compressor I got myself a Werther X1 also a budget one I think cuz it lacks a pressure gauge, it can do 6bar 86 psi, air capacity about 20 l/min, my question is since I cant monitor the pressure do I just go on "how it feels"?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 12, 2006, 09:40:56 AM
Alcohol will not melt the plastic, but Lacquers may so avoid paints like Alclad and Mr. Color.

As for the compressor, it may bot come with a pressure regulator, but you can purchase one at a hardware store and attach it to your compressor. You may beed some adaptor parts to make it fit.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: hky on July 12, 2006, 09:49:33 AM
many thanks for the quick reply.

Laquers like the ones you mentioned, havent seen those brands around but Humbrol enamel is quite popular thats a laquer right?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 12, 2006, 09:59:43 AM
That's an enamel so it would use an enamel thinner. Not sure how that would affect your AB. Perhaps add a drop of enamel thinner to the outter casing of your AB to see if it marrs the surface.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: pu_rplecow on July 17, 2006, 07:17:23 AM
Anyone has more than one airbrush with different sized tips? I use a sparmax DH-102 (http://www.saacol.com/) and i find it great because it manages such fine work. The only problem is that the cup is pretty small and it jams real often when I spray Mr Surfacer with it. I had this really bad experience when a particle of primer got stuck real good in the tip. Too a strand of wire to push it out. I never used bottled primer again.

Just wondering if anyone would actually reccommend getting a bigger tip like 0.3mm or 0.5mm. or would it be a negligible difference for the 0.3mm? Another thing is I don't see replacement needles and tips for sparmax airbrushes. I know they are ripoffs of some other brand so would it be possible to use other parts to replace the now 0.2mm tip with a 0.3mm?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 17, 2006, 07:19:03 AM
THey make mesh "filters" for paints like that. Basically you put it over the tube in a jar. I suppose this only wotks for syphon-feed brushes though that can use a bottle.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: maxwinamp on July 17, 2006, 02:50:38 PM
Quote from: "pu_rplecow"
Anyone has more than one airbrush with different sized tips? I use a sparmax DH-102 (http://www.saacol.com/) and i find it great because it manages such fine work. The only problem is that the cup is pretty small and it jams real often when I spray Mr Surfacer with it. I had this really bad experience when a particle of primer got stuck real good in the tip. Too a strand of wire to push it out. I never used bottled primer again.

Just wondering if anyone would actually reccommend getting a bigger tip like 0.3mm or 0.5mm. or would it be a negligible difference for the 0.3mm? Another thing is I don't see replacement needles and tips for sparmax airbrushes. I know they are ripoffs of some other brand so would it be possible to use other parts to replace the now 0.2mm tip with a 0.3mm?


I use procon 0.2mm for paint.
And Paasche 0.5mm (bottom feed Double Action) for Primer and metallic paint.
(Paasche can use different paasche nozzle size with paaschedifferent needles, I bought a 0.3mm nozzle and needle separately)

For sparmax, I doubt the sizes can be changed.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: ttmnky on July 17, 2006, 06:08:24 PM
Hey, sorry to get off on the wrong foot with everyone with my first post...

I've readjusted my airbrush so that the needle sticks as far out as possible without pulling the trigger, and draws back a slight bit after pulling. Is that good?

Also, I was wondering whether all airbrush needles were interchangeable. For example, Could I stick a Badger brand needle into a Paasche brand airbrush?

Sorry for my nooby questions.

A pic of my airbrush

http://airbrushcity.com/1102.htm

Last thing is, the kit came with a metal "colour cup", but when attached to the airbrush, it seems incredibly awkward... Does anyone know hwo it works, or has anyone used a similar metal cup before?

Thanks, and again, sorry
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: pu_rplecow on July 18, 2006, 12:18:08 AM
I think you got it right about the needle thing, should be all the way in front.

Quote from: "ttmnky"
Also, I was wondering whether all airbrush needles were interchangeable. For example, Could I stick a Badger brand needle into a Paasche brand airbrush?

.
.

Last thing is, the kit came with a metal "colour cup", but when attached to the airbrush, it seems incredibly awkward... Does anyone know hwo it works, or has anyone used a similar metal cup before?

Thanks, and again, sorry


I think needles can be used interchangeably (as in, it is physically possible) if the same size, but i doubt it would perform anything like if you were using the original brand.

The colour cup is weird.. but its not uncommon. Its for people who do art on t shirts or canvas/paper and need to see the surface. A top fed airbrush would sort of block the view. To use it you should just dump the paint in like you would any other (I think..). Here's (http://www.thiscowispurple.com/?page_id=235) some helpful videos about gundam modelling.

One more thing, it may seem really silly but this (http://www.airbrushcity.com/dual_sm67.jpg) picture has solved an eternal mystery for me. I always wondered where the square end of the airbrush holder should go!! Thanks alot! haha..
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: nightbringer on July 18, 2006, 09:24:51 PM
A little maintenance question.

I have a gravity-fed dual action Delta airbrush (not sure on further details), which recently has had the trigger stuck. Whenever I release the trigger, the AB still continues to spray for about 5-10 seconds afterwards, before it releases. Also, when I push down, I find that I have a bit more resistance than I used to have when I first bought the airbrush.
I encountered this problem before, taking it apart and running thinner through the little button that lets air in seemed to temporarily remedy the problem.

Is it just paint clogging up the trigger button thingy inside the barrel that lets air into the AB?
If so, how do I clean it?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: pu_rplecow on July 18, 2006, 11:47:32 PM
Sigh.. i have the same problem with mine. Gets sticky and stuck only a while after cleaning it up properly(taking it completely apart). I tried lubricating the rubber seal that but it doesn't last long. Anyone notice the same thing?

Anyway for those feeling like your compressor is not giving you the same output anymore, giving your airbrush a thourogh clean might do the job. Mine was at 15psi max. After cleaning  25psi max. So there.. I guess its because the airways were dirty.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 19, 2006, 05:12:39 AM
Follow the instruction manual and take your airbrush completely apart. Mine was doing that as well until I cleaned it out really well. Use good ventilation and some lacquer thinner with q-tips. Avoid the plastic or rubber parts though ;-)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: nightbringer on July 20, 2006, 05:22:24 AM
Lacquer thinner? So acrylic/enamel thinner won't do?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Cmdr Harabec on July 28, 2006, 05:19:03 PM
I've got a Paasche VSR90 Gravity Feed airbrush, and I've encountered problems with it lately. Instead of sucking in the paint from the feed, it blows air out of it, making a bubble - or doesn't do anything at all, and the paint just sits there. (This is on any pressure from around 5PSI to.. like... 35.)

I've taken it apart numerous times and cleaned it with different substances each time, this past time using acetone to really dislodge anything stuck in there, but the problem still persists. Any help would be greatly appreciated, since I can't think of what could possibly be the problem..
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 28, 2006, 05:27:15 PM
That usually denotes a clog, but you fixed that. Are you using the right size tips and needles? They should all match. All fine, all medium, etc...
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Cmdr Harabec on July 28, 2006, 06:00:14 PM
Yeah - I've only got two needles for it, and one size cap, and I'm using the needle they had in it when I got it.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: pu_rplecow on July 29, 2006, 07:24:59 AM
Try the other cap and needle and see if it sprays? Then you'll know if its clogged at the needle Last time i had a clog because of spraying mr surfacer - a particle got stuck really really good and refused to come out with the strongest of thinners..
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: AndreZero on August 05, 2006, 02:47:57 PM
Does anyone know if you can add a tank to a Paasche D500?   I've been spoiled by using my brothers Paasche D3000 and have just aquired a D500 (hand me down from a friend) and am wondering if a tank expansion is an option.  It doesn't look like paasche sells tanks separately so that makes me doubt it is possible...
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Cmdr Harabec on August 07, 2006, 04:25:57 PM
Tried the other needle today. The problem seems to lie in the front assembly itself, and possibly in the cap. When I removed the caps, it sprayed awkwardly like it was being forced out of a trickle - most of it accumulating on the needle, in fact, and then dripping off of that - so I'm going to try cleaning the airbrush.. again.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on August 07, 2006, 04:45:37 PM
Hmmm... wonder if your needle is bent.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on August 07, 2006, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: "FichtenFoo"
Hmmm... wonder if your needle is bent.


That could be possible. But your needle haed could be dented or cracked.(I think dented.)

You say you tried both needles and same effect has happened?
I am not to familier with the pashee AB but I belive your head assembly has 2 halves. In the center of those halves is the cone the needle sides into.( A teardrop looking thing) Inspect the point of that and make sure there are no cracks or dents. ( you may need magnifine glass if you eye sight not good.)

But if you are getting bubbles then there is a clog some where. Try this and let me know if it works.
Title: when is it to cold to air brush?
Post by: amessier on September 15, 2006, 07:04:08 AM
I live in new england and its starting to get cold. Im just wondering when is it to cold to air brush?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 20, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
Here's Tochiros post from another 2 threads. Please help him someone! 8)

Quote from: "tochiro"
hi ,I am thinking to buy a airbrush what is yours opinion of this model?

a some one best? not iwata please

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/lordrider/colani_box.jpg)

 (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/lordrider/colani.jpg)

 (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/lordrider/colani03.jpg)

thanks!!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: tochiro on September 21, 2006, 01:31:33 AM
thanks for move the post master foo!!

sorry for trouble :oops:
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: thor777 on October 02, 2006, 11:35:51 AM
I just bought a Iwata Silver Jet which has a working pressure of 10-18 PSI.  Is that good enough for painting acrylic paints at 50:50 paint:alcohol ratio or should I upgrade to the Sprint Jet?

Also, if I wanted to paint with a 60:40 or 70:30 mixture, is 10-18 PSI enough?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Vinny on October 08, 2006, 04:38:11 PM
Hey guys, I have an airbrushing question, but I guess it's more general then just that.  I was  painting the engines on the back of my MG F91, and the middel of each is yellow, while the outside is grey.  So, I figured I'd airbrush the piece yellow, then mask it and do the grey.  However, the yellow was not coming out well on the dark grey.  So, two questions:
1. Is it possible to paint a lighter color onto a darker plastic?  I did like quite a few coats and it still did't come out.  
2.  What about it I sprayed the piece in the grey first, then masked the grey to do the yellow.  Would the yellow come out looking darker on the grey paint, also?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Shadowfire on October 08, 2006, 04:48:56 PM
I'd suggest you try it out on scrap plastic just to test that stuff out.

Actually, I'm a bit confused as to your situation. It seems to me you painted the yellow first? My suggestion would be to try painting the yellow area white or something light before you paint on the yellow. FYI undercoats do affect the shade of the color of the coat that covers it.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Artic Fox on October 08, 2006, 04:49:10 PM
try priming your part first, I think tamiya makes a white primer
Title: C02 modeling?
Post by: fox_60289 on October 12, 2006, 10:36:32 AM
Well I'm very very very new to gunpla and was wondering about the use of C02. My main hobby is paintball, which makes this one seem inexpensive at best. I have a few paintball regulators that can run pressure from 0-250 psi and a few 16 and 20 oz tanks. If I get a decent AB can I just use these with a few fittings to make use of the airbrush. I don't have the cash to throw down on a good compressor and I live in a dorm so I need something pretty much completely silent.

I was also wondering what paints you use in an airbrush and is there any good articles on thinning and color choice?

Thanks

-fox-
Title: Re: C02 modeling?
Post by: zerobxu on October 12, 2006, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: "fox_60289"
I was also wondering what paints you use in an airbrush and is there any good articles on thinning and color choice?

That's an excellent question--and a frequently asked one at that. I'd suggest you start by reading:
FichtenFoo's Model Tutorial (http://www.fichtenfoo.com/02GiantRobots/02c-MGHowTo.html)
The "Paint Sticky" in this very section (http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=346)
The "Airbrush Sticky" (http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=531) (you are here)
The "Choosing Color Scheme Ideas" Sticky (http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=457) (... yadda-yadda in this section, too yadda-yadda...)

Also, please utilize the Search function (http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/search.php) prior to posting questions. Although your CO2 question is somewhat unique, your paint questions are not.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: gamerabaenre on October 12, 2006, 11:35:38 AM
Here's an article I found on using CO2 with airbrushing:
http://www.airbrushtalk.com/abtv5n2.htm
This may help you out.  I have no experience using CO2 as an airsource, but I'm sure you can contact the author of the above article if you have more specific questions.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Vinny on November 04, 2006, 10:25:49 AM
Hey guys.  My airbrush has crapped out o me and I can't figure out what's wrong with it.  I've cleaner every single piece of it with 409 and even laquer thinner, but whenever I go to spray some paint, it just get's clogged.  I know the paints not to thick because it even clogs on some Tamiya I mixed with like a 80:20 thinner:paint ratio.  Any ideas?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 04, 2006, 10:55:20 AM
Perhaps air isn't getting to the paint. Is it a gravity or syphon feed? What AB is it? Unscrew the parts that connect to the air hose, all the parts, and try that next. Your paint cup may also be clogged if it's syphon feed. Once I had paper towel stuck in the tube from cleaning and didn't know. Had the same problem you're having.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Vinny on November 07, 2006, 10:10:37 PM
Thanks for the tips, FF.  I cleaned some of the bottle heads I use (since it's a sypon fed) and I left them in a cup of laquer thinner a few das ago after reading your post.  I've been bogged down by tests and work, and just realzied I had them still in the cup.  When I went out, they thinner had totally evaporated and the bottom of the cup was a big glob of paint!  Guess they weren't as clean as I thought.  So, now I have them soaking again just to make sure, along with my airbrush again just to make sure.  
Also, can anyone recommend a good lubricant I can use on my airbrush that I can find at local stores?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: fox_60289 on November 09, 2006, 06:43:12 AM
ebay item (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-AIRBRUSH-COMPRESSOR-KIT-WITH-DUAL-ACTION-AIRBRUSH_W0QQitemZ170046947107QQihZ007QQcategoryZ28111QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)

MOD EDIT:  link url too long, please use tags properly next time

Just curious if this would be OK to use? It's rather cheap it appears .....

Do you think the quality of the product is up to par?

Thanks

-fox-
Title: Airbrush question : the needle
Post by: prime-idiot on November 13, 2006, 05:28:57 AM
Hi peeps,

adjustment of the needle, should it be fully exposed from the spray nozle or do you need to adjust it, and if so when would you do that, for what purpose?

also adjusting the throw on the trigger at what point do you need less paint to air coming out is it a paint/thinner mix thing?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: pu_rplecow on November 13, 2006, 09:15:39 AM
just put the needle in all the way. If not you'll have the paint coming out when you press the trigger for the air. Second question isn't so clear.. do you mean the little screw knob at the end to ristrict how far back you can pull the trigger?

Edit: The further you pull back the trigger -> more paint  comes out -> the further you have to hold the airbrush from the piece being sprayed -> the bigger the area that can be sprayed.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: prime-idiot on November 13, 2006, 03:29:17 PM
Yes I meant the adjuster, but in cases where you are blending colours with lighter washes would you need to have less paint coming out if it were say thinner?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: bender222 on November 19, 2006, 11:25:39 AM
I have an Iwata HP-C. It tends to Stop the paint flow after about 5 seconds of continouis spray regardless of the position of he lever. I thought that  the paint was to thick but i even tried 50% alcahol with tamiya mix and it still happens. it works fine for 5 seconds and is consistant then it just locks up till i release and pull the lever back again. Any suggestions on how to stop this?
Title: Iwata Revolution CR missing needle packing screw
Post by: thor777 on November 20, 2006, 12:50:16 PM
While I was cleaning my airbush (Iwata Revolution CR) yesterday I realized that it was missing a part. It's pretty new and I've never taken it apart before. The missing part is the needle packing screw. Does anyone know if that's an important part cuz it works fine ever since I bought it.....
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on November 25, 2006, 09:46:28 PM
I have an Iwata hp-bcs siphon feed dual action AB. I started having this problem tonight I never had before. First it started spiting all the time , so I took it apart and cleaned it and it still did it. So I took it apart again and cleaned it , then when I put it back together and press for the air , paint comes out now. It is dual action so paint should not come out till lever is pulled back but when I press lever paint comes out . Have any of you had this problem?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 25, 2006, 09:58:29 PM
Check the needle. If the needle is not fully forward then paint will come out with the air.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on November 25, 2006, 11:16:57 PM
Quote from: "fox_60289"
ebay item (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-AIRBRUSH-COMPRESSOR-KIT-WITH-DUAL-ACTION-AIRBRUSH_W0QQitemZ170046947107QQihZ007QQcategoryZ28111QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)

MOD EDIT:  link url too long, please use tags properly next time

Just curious if this would be OK to use? It's rather cheap it appears .....

Do you think the quality of the product is up to par?

Thanks

-fox-


I just got that Powercat combo. It works alright, the compressor is a bit weak, overall its alright. Something to learn on *shrugs*
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on November 26, 2006, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: "FichtenFoo"
Check the needle. If the needle is not fully forward then paint will come out with the air.


I checked the needle like 5 times.I thought that too but it still does it. I'm thinking the teflon bearing might be bad.  :mad:  It sucks because this one of my newer AB and it died when I was at a clients house . Dumb me didn 't bring a back up thinking this one was fine. Lesson learned always bring 2 or 3.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Vinny on November 29, 2006, 12:22:02 AM
Can anyone recommend a good lubricant for an airbrush that I can get at a local store like Wal Mart or the like?
Also, do I just lubricate the needle, or other parts?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on November 29, 2006, 06:24:58 AM
After some messing with my AB for awhile I found out it was the nozzle(under a magnifine glass) so I ordered a new one and should have it back up and running in acouple days.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: D:Fuse on December 01, 2006, 12:17:22 AM
Ok,

My airbrush is getting old, and rusty, well not literally. I used Atlantis .3mm airbrush for my painting needs. I noticed that the airbrush is kind of worn out over the years. So I was thinking of getting 2 new airbrush. So does anyone have any experience with these shooters, and are they long lasting?

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/airbrush/kustom/kch_info.jsp
http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/airbrush/performance/hpbc_info.jsp
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: braxat2000 on December 01, 2006, 12:38:01 AM
Hi D:Fuse:

I am using Iwata Eclipse HCL-4500, with gravitational feed, and am very happy with it. I can recommend this airbrush for general use.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on December 01, 2006, 08:13:35 AM
Any Iwata you buy will be a great choice. IMO Iwata makes the best AB out very easy to use and warrenty is great . Every thing on an Iwata can be changed by the customer himself , no sending out to get fixed.
Title: Looking for *really* in progress photos of painting
Post by: thegreatsze on December 03, 2006, 04:08:35 AM
Hi all,

Whenever I see in-progress shots of a kit, they usually go along the lines of:

"Here is the kit after priming, and before paint."

http://bp0.blogger.com/_gp9mArO4Z1c/RXJ44i7eJ4I/AAAAAAAAAC0/3Kbe9DRWtKs/s400/Ravenwip3.JPG

"Here is the kit after painting."

http://bp1.blogger.com/_gp9mArO4Z1c/RXJ7hy7eJ5I/AAAAAAAAAC8/dsSz8oCz9Ds/s400/Raven5.JPG

"Thanks for viewing!"

I am curious: what exactly happens between Picture 1 and Picture 2? I've been told it's just "masking masking and more masking" ... but is that really the case? Is the kit not taken apart again and painted in sub-assemblies? Or are the male and female parts completely separated? Or is it really true that the kit is painted as is, with tons and tons of masking tape being used up in the process?

If anyone has in-progress in-progress shots of actual painting being carried out on a primed kit, I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance!

MOD EDIT: DO NOT HOTLINK IMAGES THAT ARE NOT HOSTED BY YOU.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on December 03, 2006, 04:16:40 AM
You take the kit appart as much as you can. Most if not all MG's armor pop off, If you want perfect edges on the armor you're gona have to mod it so it all slips off in one peace

I'm spraying a kit now, if you want I'll start a wip for you
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: thegreatsze on December 03, 2006, 06:55:17 AM
haha yes please. i'll be watching the in-progress index like a hawk ...

:)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on December 03, 2006, 07:12:54 AM
Its fairly OOB, nothing fancy like that damn Sazabi  :oops:
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on December 03, 2006, 09:08:36 PM
Um, someone snuck in and took the camera... :?

Guess that explains who was playing with my naked PG Strike
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Komataguri on December 05, 2006, 12:06:36 PM
Just got a free compressor.

My grandmother gave it to me, She got it from where she worked [ it was used in a bakery ]


Its a KopyKake KromaJet.


I was just wondering if anyone has any opinions about this compressor?


She also gave me the airgun they used to spray foodcoloring/foodpaint on the cakes and what not...altho I donno if I can use that with paints [ its an open top, you pour a tiny bit of material in the top of it and you can't sit it down until your done.]

_____________

I must have hit new topic, instead of post reply, because apparently I started a thread about it that was locked. It was an accident.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: T1000 on December 08, 2006, 01:08:25 AM
I have a problem with my Procon Boy Platinium 0.3mm AB lately.

1. The button which controls the air flow is very slow in releasing. That means that after I press down for air and then release it, it takes a long time for it to comes up and cut off the air. The last time I have used it, it even stucked there and the air just keeps coming out. I have to push it up to cut the air flow. Any idea how I can rectify this problem?

2. Recently I bought an oil based silent compressor. During my first use, I let the AB shoot out air and I could smell some oil.. hmm.. Then when I used it for metal paints, (steel and gun chrome) the paint would "fog" on the parts. YES, FOG. Like fogging on flat coat. Other colours are OK. This did not happened before as I often use gun chrome. Any idea are these problems connected? (like compressor shooting out oil or something?)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on December 08, 2006, 04:43:59 AM
1. check the air valve/spring and what not. Should check the whole area of the trigger, might be that there's something gumming it up or a rough edge the trigger its catching on

2. I'm gona say yes
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: T1000 on December 09, 2006, 06:27:32 AM
Quote from: "mrmaigo"
1. check the air valve/spring and what not. Should check the whole area of the trigger, might be that there's something gumming it up or a rough edge the trigger its catching on

2. I'm gona say yes


Regarding problem 2, other than bringing the compressor for service, is there any other way out?  :cry:
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on December 09, 2006, 06:46:54 AM
I'd just let it run for a while.
We have a mid size 5 gallon (not that I AB with it), we started it without the filter or the oil pressure cap, after we used it for a while we stopped getting oil.
So yeah, its nothing big, just let it blow its self out. If its for airbrushing, it might have said to do that in the manual. But now you know anyway
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: wreeper007 on December 09, 2006, 10:38:09 AM
Posted then needed to be moved.

I don't have the financial means to buy a compressor right now, seeing how books are a little more important than a hobby.

I have been using canned air for a little while. I like it, in the almost silent part. Problem is, I need to regulate it somehow.

I went on hobbylinc and found a canned air regulator. It is by another company though (as in, not testors).

My question is simple really, are all cans of air the same. Like, will this fit on the testors cans or only this company's?

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/hca/hcahcar4117.htm
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on December 09, 2006, 11:31:22 AM
I would guess that each brand tries to make you buy its own supply, but ask the seller.
I tried to paint with those, never really managed to so bought a cheap (around 150$ with an airbrush) compressor. Does a better job and is really more reliable, my main concern about canned air.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 09, 2006, 11:38:11 AM
Here's a thread on canned air I found while searching:

http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=491&highlight=air

I believe there's more threads somewhere about this or even in this thread.

I searched model help for can air and checked find all terms
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on December 09, 2006, 11:41:13 AM
I tried canned air once years ago.

Bad idea. As you use it the can gets cold, so the pressure drops... can get soo cold there's almost no pressure left in the can even though its almost full :?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Artic Fox on December 09, 2006, 02:06:25 PM
The most fun that I've had with can air is using it to freze black widows, slugs, and snails....
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: wreeper007 on December 10, 2006, 07:49:38 AM
looking through testors site, I saw that there is a can adaptor that has the standard airbrush end. Could I throw a regulator on this adaptor and just go with it?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on December 10, 2006, 07:55:03 AM
You COULD, but the problem is running out of pressure
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Major Blah on December 10, 2006, 11:59:14 AM
I would recommend saving up your money and get a compressor, the price has come down quite a bit over the last few years.  Cans of compressed air is a very short-sighted and inadequate solution in my opinion.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on December 10, 2006, 04:46:27 PM
If you put the can in a bucket of warm water while you spray it will be ok pressure wise.(not hot but warm)
I did tee shirts this way for awhile. But cans suck , get your self a compressor.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: BM2 on December 11, 2006, 12:09:57 PM
I looked up canned air - Testors list thier can @ $14.99 a good useable compressor can be had for $79.00 so it really does not make a lot of sense to use canned air unless it's a one time thing-
http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=3_180_26&page=1&sort=4a
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: D:Fuse on December 11, 2006, 10:44:49 PM
I will be upgrading my old equipments to these products this week. I will be buying them from local art store.

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/airbrush/performance/hpbc_info.jsp
http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/airbrush/kustom/kch_info.jsp
http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/compressors/smartpro_info.jsp

So I hope that no one has a bad experience with these products.
Title: Sprint Jet questions
Post by: thor777 on December 12, 2006, 09:43:14 AM
I have couple questions for my Iwata Sprint Jet.  I've been using it fine the past month or so but have noticing some strange things.

1.  The moisture trap never trapped any water from the beginning since I bought it.  All the water gets trapped by my pistol grip filter.  Is this normal?

2.  A steady hissing sound comes from the moisture trap area, like air leaking.  I think air is coming out of the bottom tip of the moisture trap.  Is this normal?

If anyone have a Sprint Jet can you let me know if yours do this, too?  :?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: sn4pp3r on December 27, 2006, 02:38:21 AM
hai guys,
i am just wondering anyone here is using badger 155 or 360 ? i am abt to buy 155 but the seller said better buy 360 because of universal (bottom n gravity feed). what do you guys opinion ?
thx for the info.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on December 27, 2006, 02:47:47 AM
I'd go with the 360, gravity fed airbrushes tend to work better  from what I've heard.
*PRO TIPS*: Syntax and orthography exist, use them.
Title: Badger 175 + ? Compressor
Post by: Maxamor on December 27, 2006, 03:21:30 PM
Hello all. I recently (last night) bought a Badger Crescendo (175). It's the first airbrush I have ever bought and I have never used one before. I am still waiting for it to be delivered, but I know I won't be able to use it until I get a compressor. I have been looking at different compressors and do not know which one to get. The Badger compressors don't look great to me, but I did think the Iwata Sprint Jet Compressor looks nice and has the capabilities I'll need.

Will the air hose that comes with the Crescendo fit onto the Iwata compressor?

The Sprint Jet compressos looks like it has an air pressure guage and moisture trap, does it?

If anyone has had any experience with this compressor, please tell me if it is the one to get.

Thanks!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: StormKat on December 27, 2006, 08:04:19 PM
I have a Sprint Jet.  It does come with a gauge and moisture trap.
It also comes with a bunch of adapters and a plastic hose.  One of the adapters should work for your Badger.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Maxamor on December 27, 2006, 09:55:19 PM
About how noisey would you say it is? Is it loud or quiet?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on December 27, 2006, 10:13:49 PM
I also have the Badger Crescendo 175 and my compressor is ABD compressor.
http://www.tcpglobal.com/airbrushdepot/compress.aspx
The compressor sound level is almost loud as a regular microwave. I don't really care about the noise because when you're airbrushing the parts, you'll completely ignore the noice of the compressor.
You can upgrade it to come with a tank. The quality is the same as those of iwata or other brand. As long it do the job. By the way, it came with moisture traps so you don't need to pay extra for it.
It's a good combination of Badger 175 and this compressor. However, if you plan spraying primer coat with the Badger airbrush, you probably want to buy another airbrush since I'm very lazy to clean the dry primer's sediments in the empty bottle. Or, buy some more empty bottle with the ...feeder..?. to connect to the airbrush at Hobbyincs.com
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Maxamor on December 27, 2006, 10:35:12 PM
I had hoped to avoid applying base/primer with the AB itself. I know that Tamiya and lots of other brands for that matter make primer and base coats in spray cans. I was thinking of applying it that way and saving the AB only for colors.

Thoughts?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: tehmarken on December 28, 2006, 01:37:44 PM
So, I have the best girlfriend in the world. For Xmas, she bought an airbrush and compressor from a friend and made me very happy; a Badger Crescendo 175 and some compressor (from looking at it I figured out its 42psi max).

So, next week when break ends and I fly back up to college, I get to spend lots of time learning how to airbrush and make my models look really good.

But, I just have a few questions:

How important is a pressure regulator and/or moisture trap?

What are essentials for a spraybooth, sizewise etc? I'm thinking of just grabbing a plastic storage bin, cutting out a hole in the back and running a vent fan+tube out the window. Do I need to worry about paint collecting on the window screen, should I get a filter?

Lastly, what kind of mask will I need? Are the standard lawn-working ones good enough, or are there some special masks specifically for paint that have extra filtration or something?

So, I'm happy for any advice you guys can throw my way, and hopefully in the next weeks I can get some painting done and post up some WIPs. :D
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 28, 2006, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: "tehmarken"
So, I have the best girlfriend in the world. For Xmas, she bought an airbrush and compressor from a friend and made me very happy; a Badger Crescendo 175 and some compressor (from looking at it I figured out its 42psi max).

So, next week when break ends and I fly back up to college, I get to spend lots of time learning how to airbrush and make my models look really good.

But, I just have a few questions:

How important is a pressure regulator and/or moisture trap?

What are essentials for a spraybooth, sizewise etc? I'm thinking of just grabbing a plastic storage bin, cutting out a hole in the back and running a vent fan+tube out the window. Do I need to worry about paint collecting on the window screen, should I get a filter?

Lastly, what kind of mask will I need? Are the standard lawn-working ones good enough, or are there some special masks specifically for paint that have extra filtration or something?

So, I'm happy for any advice you guys can throw my way, and hopefully in the next weeks I can get some painting done and post up some WIPs. :D


Moisture trap is going to keep condensation from spurting out of your air-hose and ruining a goot paintjob.

Search around for various booth tips.

Get a good mask from Home Depot/Lowes/etc... one that protects against dust and organic solvents. Look to spend around $30-$40 on one.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on December 28, 2006, 08:40:28 PM
Pressure is very important because it could ruins your paint. I usually adjust it from 10-20psi depended on the stuff i'm spraying out of.
The repirator mask i use is a 3m 7000 series(7192, 7193, etc...).
Spraybooth :\, I wanted one but since i'm spraying in the garage with a regular fan blowing the fumes toward the garage doors, there is really no need for one at the moment.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: fox_60289 on January 04, 2007, 04:15:09 PM
I'm trying to do a complete cleaning on my Paasche internal mix dual action airbrush. I can break it down all the way to the packing, but I can't get the packing out? Is it neccesary to remove before soaking it in alcohol? I'm also having difficulties getting the preset wheel ontop removed, any help there?

Thanks
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: pgstrike on January 07, 2007, 11:34:52 AM
hi everyone,

i just bought a airbrush on ebay,a sparmax double action for a nice price.
here are a few questions about airbrushing.
what is a good mixture of paint and thinner to brush with for pre- or post shadding?
i dont want to buy a compressor for the moment,so air bottles do they give a good result like a compressor?
a double action regulates amount of air and paint no?
i never workt with an airbrush before so is it wise to begin on a piece of plastic to get the feeling of it before painting any gundams?

i know i had some more questions but can't remember them now.

thanx for all the answers you guy's give me :wink:
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerobxu on January 07, 2007, 11:48:24 AM
Quote from: "pgstrike"
i never workt with an airbrush before so is it wise to begin on a piece of plastic to get the feeling of it before painting any gundams?

I'm currently not an airbrusher, so I can only really answer this question based on people I've talked to and research I've done. Yes--practice, practice, practice before you start painting models. In fact, I think I read somewhere that you should practice using water before you even start using paint.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: ikabod on January 08, 2007, 12:08:11 AM
can anyone pont me where i could get a cheap in-line moisture trap? somewhere in ca if there is one, so less shipping. . . thanks!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on January 08, 2007, 08:59:43 PM
Quote from: "zerobxu"
In fact, I think I read somewhere that you should practice using water before you even start using paint.


You could when you use paper towels but water seeps more, but if you use and india ink(its like $2.00 a bottle) and use that with paper towel to practice the basics of air brushing you would do just fine
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: tehmarken on January 12, 2007, 05:54:58 PM
Quote from: "ikabod"
can anyone pont me where i could get a cheap in-line moisture trap? somewhere in ca if there is one, so less shipping. . . thanks!


I found my moisture trap at Lowe's for $15, and a male-male adapter cost me another $2.50 or so.

On another note, can someone explain what kind of tip/nozzle/needle setup is good for which type of painting? For painting large panels, versus shading, versus small parts or doing pieces with lots of crevices.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on January 12, 2007, 06:06:34 PM
I tend to always just use the fine tips. Occasionally I'll switch to large if I'm painting primarily huge parts... like a tank base-coat.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: TheZen on January 16, 2007, 07:37:35 PM
Anyone have any experiences with the Iwata Revolution CR ? Double action, gravity fed with a 1/3 oz paint cup.

I've been looking on this model for a while but never got to buying it (got busy and school) but now that I got more time.

I would also need a compressor which I'm debating between the smartJet and SprintJet. But I'm wondering does auto on and off on the SmartJet matter that much ?
If not I think I might just get the sprintJet and get a surge protector with a switch as GunDom mentioned wayy back.

Thanks in advance
-Zen
Title: Airbrush?
Post by: RESmonkey on January 18, 2007, 03:12:33 PM
I've never airbrushed, and I can't order online.  I have a Michaels and a Dick Blick art supply, anyone recommend a cheap one for me?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on January 18, 2007, 03:44:36 PM
I swear... this has been asked. Please search and read the forum rules.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on January 18, 2007, 06:37:09 PM
First off, I got one of those cheep "powercat" ebay deals, so yes, I know I'll need something better

Here's my problem, I don't know if its the vacuum breaking or what, but here it is. The brush sprays fine for about a second (enough time to make two quick passes) then sprays just air for a moment. Thats just using the cup, using a bottle, its about twice as bad. Oh, weak (but constant) compressor only gives me 15-20 psi when spraying, and it doesn't seem like its just the pressure dropping. Does it for water, paint, thinner...
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Identity_Chrisis on January 18, 2007, 07:10:39 PM
so, after reading through this thread i am getting the vibe that sparmax airbrushes are good, and a better value than iwata or procon boy ab's, or should i just splurge on an iwata?

also, ab's like sparmax dh-102 have a very small cup. do you insert another cup to hold more paint?also, do any gravity-feeds have removable cups ?

currently i'm using a paashe VL siphon feed, but a gravity feed would be nice to have.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on January 20, 2007, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: "mrmaigo"
First off, I got one of those cheep "powercat" ebay deals, so yes, I know I'll need something better

Here's my problem, I don't know if its the vacuum breaking or what, but here it is. The brush sprays fine for about a second (enough time to make two quick passes) then sprays just air for a moment. Thats just using the cup, using a bottle, its about twice as bad. Oh, weak (but constant) compressor only gives me 15-20 psi when spraying, and it doesn't seem like its just the pressure dropping. Does it for water, paint, thinner...


Do you get spitting after you get just air?
If you get nothing have you cleans your AB recently?
If so how thin is your paint?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on January 20, 2007, 09:51:47 PM
No spitting, it just picks right back up spraying fine. Its happened sense I've had it, and I've completely cleaned it several times. As for thinness of the paint, it does it the just same if its paint or thinner.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on January 20, 2007, 09:58:14 PM
Quote from: "mrmaigo"
No spitting, it just picks right back up spraying fine. Its happened sense I've had it, and I've completely cleaned it several times. As for thinness of the paint, it does it the just same if its paint or thinner.


So you get fine spray then just air nothing happens after that?
What AB is it dual or single and what kind? Your trigger might be in backwards. Just a guess but it might not be depressing enough to get the paint in flow.
Use water when you try to check an AB, its free and flows through everything.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on January 20, 2007, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: "oteebzo"
So you get fine spray then just air nothing happens after that?

Fine spray, just air, fine spray

Quote
What AB is it dual or single and what kind? Your trigger might be in backwards. Just a guess but it might not be depressing enough to get the paint in flow.

Dual. Press it down for air, pull it back to move the needle and get paint. The trigger is the same both sides. And yes, I've checked the needle. Its in right, it slides freely, no spray when its closed.

Quote
Use water when you try to check an AB, its free and flows through everything.

I've tried water too
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on January 20, 2007, 10:13:35 PM
Ok you will not beable to see this but if you have a magnifine glass look at your head assembly. I have a Iwata and my head assembly has this cone shaped thing that the needle sides into. Basicly my head a ssembly caome apart in 2 and there is a cone sleeve. If yours has this look at the cone to see if there are cracks this cause that alot.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: BobSpamGundam on January 24, 2007, 11:34:12 PM
I think I'm havening a similar problem to mrmaigo's.

I have a Badger crescendo 175, dual action, bottom feed, hooked up to a compressor. (unsure of the brand)

It didn't do this from the beginning but in the past few months it's been spraying irregularly, in that it will be spraying paint perfectly for a few seconds and then just air,then paint again. it appears as though it is losing suction, I can't for the life of me figure it out as it does this with water too.

Thank you for taking the time to listen to my problem.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zoccoli on January 26, 2007, 09:53:16 PM
Quote from: "BobSpamGundam"
I think I'm havening a similar problem to mrmaigo's.

I have a Badger crescendo 175, dual action, bottom feed, hooked up to a compressor. (unsure of the brand)

It didn't do this from the beginning but in the past few months it's been spraying irregularly, in that it will be spraying paint perfectly for a few seconds and then just air,then paint again. it appears as though it is losing suction, I can't for the life of me figure it out as it does this with water too.

Thank you for taking the time to listen to my problem.

I had a similar problem with my Badger 200, and it turned out that the siphon tube had cracked away from the rest of the jar lid a bit, so it wasn't able to create proper suction. I solved the problem by switching to a gravity-fed brush.  :wink:

(I'd had other issues as well and was generally unhappy with my Badger 200 anyway, it was just another excuse to ditch it.)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on January 27, 2007, 07:45:45 AM
http://www.craigcentral.com/models/trouble.asp

That page has all kinds of airbrush troubleshooting tips. Check near the bottom for "erratic spraying". Try those tips and let us know.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: BobSpamGundam on January 27, 2007, 10:05:43 AM
Quote from: "FichtenFoo"
http://www.craigcentral.com/models/trouble.asp

That page has all kinds of airbrush troubleshooting tips. Check near the bottom for "erratic spraying". Try those tips and let us know.


I have tried what it said to do before, I've even tried just thinner. It still starts and stops, I have also replaced the siphon tube lid thing. I'd rather not just up and replace the air brush as it was a little pricey. So, is my only salvation a top fed air brush?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on January 27, 2007, 10:25:48 AM
No... that's not your only salvation since many of us including me use a siphon fed brush. I found that site by googling "airbrush problems". Try that approach and you might get another answer. Let us know!
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on January 27, 2007, 11:35:24 AM
It sounds like your teflon bearing is shot. It is the bearing inside of the feedneck. If it is a badger they are warrentied for life but you have to ship it back to them because it is factory install only. If it is an Iawata then you can order one and install yourself. Thats one of the reasons I live Iawata every thing can be replaced by the consumer.

Hope this helps
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: BobSpamGundam on January 29, 2007, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: "oteebzo"
It sounds like your teflon bearing is shot. It is the bearing inside of the feedneck. If it is a badger they are warrentied for life but you have to ship it back to them because it is factory install only. If it is an Iawata then you can order one and install yourself. Thats one of the reasons I live Iawata every thing can be replaced by the consumer.

Hope this helps


This is the only thing that I have not tried, I had tried changing to one of the other needles over the weekend thinking that may be the problem but alas is seems my air brush is going on a vacation.

Thank you all for answering my questions.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: thor777 on February 02, 2007, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: "zerobxu"
Quote from: "pgstrike"
i never workt with an airbrush before so is it wise to begin on a piece of plastic to get the feeling of it before painting any gundams?

I'm currently not an airbrusher, so I can only really answer this question based on people I've talked to and research I've done. Yes--practice, practice, practice before you start painting models. In fact, I think I read somewhere that you should practice using water before you even start using paint.


I had absolutely NO practice, or even touched an airbrush for that matter, before painting the Infinite Justice (http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2072).  The first thing I sprayed on was a piece of the kit  :P Just spray at low PSIs until you a get feel for the AB and have more control over it.

Quote from: "TheZen"
Anyone have any experiences with the Iwata Revolution CR ? Double action, gravity fed with a 1/3 oz paint cup.

I've been looking on this model for a while but never got to buying it (got busy and school) but now that I got more time.

I would also need a compressor which I'm debating between the smartJet and SprintJet. But I'm wondering does auto on and off on the SmartJet matter that much ?
If not I think I might just get the sprintJet and get a surge protector with a switch as GunDom mentioned wayy back.

Thanks in advance
-Zen

I have the exact setup you're looking at.  Revolution CR and Sprint Jet.  Both are excellent.  No problems so far in the 4 months since I got them.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerobxu on February 02, 2007, 08:18:33 AM
Quote from: "thor777"
I had absolutely NO practice, or even touched an airbrush for that matter, before painting the Infinite Justice (http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2072).  The first thing I sprayed on was a piece of the kit  :P Just spray at low PSIs until you a get feel for the AB and have more control over it.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread? I remember where I heard the "spray with water before paint" advice now (thankfully, I had over three weeks between my original reply and when you quoted me to think about it, thor): An artist who retired from commercial art in order to become a successful scupltor and art instructor. But hey--what works for one person may not for another.

If you feel comfortable jumping head-first into putting paint to plastic, by all means. Go for it. I suppose you can always learn technique on-the-fly.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: thor777 on February 02, 2007, 09:15:40 AM
Quote from: "zerobxu"
Quote from: "thor777"
I had absolutely NO practice, or even touched an airbrush for that matter, before painting the Infinite Justice (http://fichtenfoo.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2072).  The first thing I sprayed on was a piece of the kit  :P Just spray at low PSIs until you a get feel for the AB and have more control over it.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread? I remember where I heard the "spray with water before paint" advice now (thankfully, I had over three weeks between my original reply and when you quoted me to think about it, thor): An artist who retired from commercial art in order to become a successful scupltor and art instructor. But hey--what works for one person may not for another.

If you feel comfortable jumping head-first into putting paint to plastic, by all means. Go for it. I suppose you can always learn technique on-the-fly.


Was too excited and eager to try out my AB so I said screw the practicing!! haha  :P  8)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: beertax on February 08, 2007, 12:11:41 AM
Hello,

This has been posted as a separate topic, but it was pointed out that I should repost the question here, so here goes:

When cleaning my new Iwata HP-C Plus airbrush for the first time, I "think" I accidentally pushed in the needle tip a tiny bit into the body. Alarmed, I tested spraying water theu the nozzle to success. But I am concerned, when cleaning in future, what is the best approach to handling the needle tip? Also, is there a way to pull it out to its original length?

Thank you in advance for any replies. This is my first time handling an airbrush
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on February 08, 2007, 08:16:49 PM
Most people do not realize that when taken your needle out and putting it back in you should push down on your trigger to let the needle slid through with out hitting bottom of the trigger guide hole.This can some time put a bur on your needle tip which will cause spitting.

CAUTION: DO NOT TAKE YOUR BRUSH APART OR PRESS THE TRIGGER WHILE TAKEN APART WITH THE AB CONNECTED TO AIR!

Just thought I would throw that in there just in case someone tries. At least my butt is covered now. :lol:
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on February 12, 2007, 06:11:32 PM
Just looked at my needle and had got a rather good size bur on the tip
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on February 16, 2007, 06:10:44 PM
Fixed the bur, didn't help. Took the brush apart and checked everything. Don't know exactly what I did but its fine now  :lol:

You know what would be cool, a siphon cap for tamiya bottles
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on February 17, 2007, 09:21:53 PM
Ok, I tried out my Iwata HP-C airbrush today and apparently I don't know how to use it right.
I sprayed it at 13-15 PSI, I added my acrylic color into the paint cup then close the cap and pressed the trigger and pull back, but it kept squirting the paint out of the cap(little hole in the cap). It kept making a bubble sound, it's like mixing or something. My hairs and my head covers in white paint. I thought it was the needle but it's fine.
How do you use a normal Iwata HP-C
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on February 17, 2007, 09:34:49 PM
Alright accord99,
So air has to be following the needle back to the cup. Too me, that says the gasket between the nozzle and the handle isn't sealing or is missing
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on February 17, 2007, 09:43:31 PM
Is it a new AB? If not It may be clogged some where. Take it apart and clean it really good and try that.It will bubble back up if it is clogged.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on February 17, 2007, 09:50:03 PM
It's a used airbrush that i got it off from ebay. I cleaned off all the residues, so it  almost look like new.
Mr.Maigo, what kind of gasket between the nozzle and the handle are you talking about.
http://www.iwata-medea.com/support/guide_hiline.pdf
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on February 17, 2007, 10:14:16 PM
I'm gonna say its something to do with the fluid nozzle (#3) not sitting right. The air flows around it and if its not making a seal some air would be able to get through it. Though it might be the micro air control valve (#29 and o-ring #30). I can't be more sure because I don't have an iwata, but those look like the only trouble spots
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on February 17, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
Yeah, those parts are there. I don't have the HP Hi-Line C so the number #29 and 30 do not  apply in this situation.
I should test my airbrush with water first like i did with my first airbrush before using real paint. Luckily, I  wear eyeglasses so the paints didn't hit my eyes but it did dye a portion of my hairs. (Safety first!)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: TheZen on February 19, 2007, 06:39:08 PM
Quote from: "thor777"


Quote from: "TheZen"
Anyone have any experiences with the Iwata Revolution CR ? Double action, gravity fed with a 1/3 oz paint cup.

I've been looking on this model for a while but never got to buying it (got busy and school) but now that I got more time.

I would also need a compressor which I'm debating between the smartJet and SprintJet. But I'm wondering does auto on and off on the SmartJet matter that much ?
If not I think I might just get the sprintJet and get a surge protector with a switch as GunDom mentioned wayy back.

Thanks in advance
-Zen

I have the exact setup you're looking at.  Revolution CR and Sprint Jet.  Both are excellent.  No problems so far in the 4 months since I got them.


I just bought a Sprint jet, had bought the Revo CR a few weeks back. Found a store in Montreal with the same price as DixieArt (same US price but converted to CAD  :lol: )

Tried it out on my Tallgeese III for now and as far as I can tell, it feels soo much different then a paintbrush. To quote Mcdonalds (>.<) "I'm Loving it" :D

Need a lil practice though :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on February 19, 2007, 07:29:56 PM
If you guys are looking for airbrush stuff try these stores great service and great customer service.

Bearair.com
coastairbrush.com

Coast sells Iwata which I think is by far best AB out. I have had many and I many AB's and Iwata is by far the best.(my opinion And fellow airbrush artist I know)

Coast will also match any advertised price and shipping.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on February 20, 2007, 11:26:16 PM
Anyone can help me out, please?  :cry:
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerobxu on February 21, 2007, 05:59:03 AM
Generally, bumping a thread solely to draw attention to your ongoing problem is frowned upon, though I understand your frustration. And unfortunately, I'm no help because I'm not an airbrush guy (yet...  :pirate: )

That being said, for anyone who's familiar with airbrushing, here's accord99's original question/problem:
Quote from: "accord99"
Ok, I tried out my Iwata HP-C airbrush today and apparently I don't know how to use it right.
I sprayed it at 13-15 PSI, I added my acrylic color into the paint cup then close the cap and pressed the trigger and pull back, but it kept squirting the paint out of the cap(little hole in the cap). It kept making a bubble sound, it's like mixing or something. My hairs and my head covers in white paint. I thought it was the needle but it's fine.
How do you use a normal Iwata HP-C


accord99: Have you tried simply Googling the problem? I just did a search for "iwata hp-c problem" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=iwata+hp-c+problem) and it came back with over 1,500 results. Although it's nice when we can handle all our questions here within FFF, there may be some questions that folks here genuinely may not have an answer to. At that point, it might be in your best interest to see if there's any information out there--and then post the solution here for the next guy/gal who has a similar problem.

In short, I'm certainly not trying to encourage you to seek help elsewhere, but at the same time you shouldn't ignore readily available help that may already exist.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on February 21, 2007, 11:52:24 AM
I tried googling with term like "Iwata HP-C diagnosis" "help...paint cup...squirt...leak" didn't seem to get any good result. Since there are some iwata Hp-C users in here so it's probably the best way to get to to the bottom of this problem.
I need to know if this is a genuine airbrush or not so i can return it, that's why I've to bumped the post.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: TheZen on February 21, 2007, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: "accord99"
I tried googling with term like "Iwata HP-C diagnosis" "help...paint cup...squirt...leak" didn't seem to get any good result. Since there are some iwata Hp-C users in here so it's probably the best way to get to to the bottom of this problem.
I need to know if this is a genuine airbrush or not so i can return it, that's why I've to bumped the post.


Googling through, I found some suggestion on another forum that seems to be similar to your problem. Though the airbrush in question is a Iwata HP-CH. Wasnt sure if yours was a Hi-line or an eclipse.

But you may want to look through the thread.

Click me (http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?showtopic=10631)

Good luck
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerobxu on February 21, 2007, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: "accord99"
I tried googling with term like "Iwata HP-C diagnosis" "help...paint cup...squirt...leak" didn't seem to get any good result.

As a general rule of thumb when I'm searching, I try to break it down to the lowest common denominator. You were right in putting iwata and hp-c in the search, but diagnosis is probably a term that not everyone would put in a plea for help (or a solution). Your best bet is to just go for the most frequently used words to describe a situtation ("problem" or "trouble") and spend some time going through the results, separating the proverbial wheat from the chaff. Maybe even--as you said--adding "leak" or "paint" to the search to narrow it down even further. Answers come in unexpected places, and I usually miss the solution I'm looking for when I get too specific on a search. It's better to have too many results to go through than not enough.

And if your first statement was just a generalization and I'm explaining things you already know, then just completely ignore it. This might be for other folks out there--and it applies just as much to a FFF search as it does to any "interweb" search engine.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: moy095 on February 21, 2007, 02:48:50 PM
Hi, i'm looking to get started in airbrushing and i have been trying to find information on how large of a compressor I could use but i still havn't found anything.  Currently, I have access to two, 4 gallon compressors, at my house.  I also have access to a 26 gallon compressor.

4 gallon compressor (http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail.asp?productID=2952)

26 gallon compressor (http://www.huskytools.com/Product.aspx?pid=e42d4955-4538-4783-bf0e-24bb0ab1e10b&cid=790912)

I would greatly appreciate it if I could get some feedback on wether or not I could use these for airbrushing.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Major Blah on February 21, 2007, 03:12:42 PM
moy095, with the correct adaptor for the airbrush hose, you can definitely use the ones you have.  the 26 gallon one might be a bit of an overkill.  Also, look into getting a moisture trap, that might help as well.

Welcome btw.  :)
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on February 21, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
I've used big industrial compressors for airbrushing before. Just make sure you have a pressure regulator and the proper adapter connectors to go between the compressor and airbrush hose.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: oteebzo on February 21, 2007, 05:32:41 PM
Accord99  If the paint is bubbleing up in your cup there is a clog some where. I use a cotton ball against the front of my head assembly sometimes to back flow the paint back into the bottle. And it bubbles up , like your problem.So that leads me to think that either A) your passage from the bowl may be clogged.
B) your head assembly maybe clogged
C) checl your head tip there #3 and see if there any cracks or burs, dents and what not.

do you have # 5 in there?

Well you could always go to the Iwata help section and send them an email they will respond in about a day or two.

And you could always call coastair brush and ask them they are Iwata cerified techs for Iwata.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: moy095 on February 21, 2007, 09:24:14 PM
Major Blah and FichtenFoo, thanks for your help.  I guess i'll have to start looking for the proper adapters.  As to the moisture trap and pressure regulator, I believe I already have them laying around somewere.

Quote from: "Major Blah"
Welcome btw.  :)

It's a pleasure being here :D
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on February 21, 2007, 09:47:13 PM
Hmm, I think I have to look into that #5. It's very small and i'm not sure if it can be taken apart from the airbrush. When I disassembled the airbrush, i don't recall of seeing that in there.
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: TheZen on February 21, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
If its new and all you've been doing when disassembling is taking out the visible parts then the Packing screw is in there. I always thought the the packing needle was never there but its in there. Just very deep inside the airbrush body

Come to think of it, How do you remove the Needle packing screw on Iwata models?
On the Revolution CR models, I can sorta make out 2 indentations, looks like  (¦), on the needle packing that would fit a flat head screw driver. I've never actually tried using one because its new and I dont have any reason to remove it. I'm a little scared of removing it =(
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mrmaigo on February 22, 2007, 01:16:36 AM
Think its been asked but didn't see it answered. Fine or medium needle?
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerobxu on February 22, 2007, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: "cara702003"
Do you know where I can find a foot pedal to turn a compressor on and off?

Thanks

Cara
Title: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: accord99 on February 23, 2007, 01:35:17 PM
It's a Fine needle, if the packing screw is in the airbrush and can't be taken out then i think it's there then. When i disasembled my airbrush, here are the visible parts that i'm able to take out according to this PDF.
http://www.iwata-medea.com/support/guide_hpparts.pdf
1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 16, 17
 I think those are the numbers that i was able to disassembled
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Maschinen Krueger on March 08, 2007, 10:04:56 AM
I found this article. follow the links too. Very informative.

http://www.craigcentral.com/models/trouble.asp
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Retributions777 on April 02, 2007, 03:22:24 PM
I've finally gotten (hopefully that is) enough money for some models and possibly an airbrush/compressor set. My question though is if this seems good for the price http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-AIRBRUSH-COMPRESSOR-KIT-WITH-DUAL-ACTION-AIR-BRUSH_W0QQitemZ170095203448 ? If anyone could give me an answer I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: kirump on April 17, 2007, 02:56:33 AM
Hey All,

Been reading this thread with a lot of interest. 

Does any one have thoughts on the peak c-5 (they sell it at bearair.com)? Seems like a clone of an iwata.  I'm trying to decide between the peak c-5 and the iwata revolution.  The only reason I can't decide to go ahead and buy the iwata is its 0.5 mm nozzle and I'm not sure if it gives too large of a spray pattern to work on my models. (mostly 1/144 hg) I'm not sure I want to spend much more than those two abs since I just want to test drive and see if I want to get into airbrushing.

thanks.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: gemini on April 21, 2007, 09:53:43 PM
I was using iwata HP-B but decided to change over to HP-C Plus. I just got to use a little today and I love the fact that it holds so much more paint!!!! especially working with big pieces of PG.  I am also thinking about getting a Sprint Jet but I keep thinking I need to get something with a tank...... 

While I was using the airbrush I tried to lower the pressure from the compressor and it seems like it works better. I always find that even when i let the Mr.Surfacer cure for weeks, when I use the acrylic paint with alcohol thinner it always strips off a layer of Mr.Surfacer blowing a layer away making a huge mess. Alcohol always tends to strip the primer. Am I the only one with this problem? does anyone have any tricks so this does not happen??
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: beertax on May 05, 2007, 06:26:49 PM
Hi all,

I have an AB problem that perhaps the pros here can help me with.

I have a new HP-C Plus that I've beenusing for maybe a couple months now, with FFA and Tamiya Acrylics exclusively.  It worked great until a couple days ago, when all of a sudden the airbrush started to make a choking-spitting sound as it sprayed the paint.  And the paint that came out of the nozzle now looked grainy on the surface.  At close inspection the grainy substance were tiny bubbles of paint.  After a while these bubbles would dry out and disappear, but at the same time, the paint would not stick as well on the primed surface now and leave unpainted patches. 

I think this problem would go away as soon as I fix the AB problem, but so far I don't have any answer to this issue.  I have thoroughly cleaned the disassembled AB with water and 409 and removed any grime.  But this has not so far fixed the problem.

Any help would be much appreciated.  I am looking to other forums for help, but so far I am coming up empty.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zers on May 05, 2007, 08:47:11 PM
In my semi-drunk, non-expert opinion, I would say that your paint isn't thin enough, or it's old and you're getting a slight clog in the nozzle. I have had that problem with my iwata as well, and it was mostly cause it wasn't clean enough or not thin enough.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: beertax on May 05, 2007, 09:07:30 PM
In my semi-drunk, non-expert opinion, I would say that your paint isn't thin enough, or it's old and you're getting a slight clog in the nozzle. I have had that problem with my iwata as well, and it was mostly cause it wasn't clean enough or not thin enough.

I don't know if its a clogging issue.  The paint does come out, its just that it comes out a bit grainy with paint bubbles... not smooth as before.

I should admit that when I said I cleaned the airbrush... all i did was disassemble to the point of taking out the long needle and wiping off the grime with 409 solution and dipping the nozzle also in 409.  I would assume that this constitutes proper cleaning... right?

Please let me know if I am missing something.   B)  How would one fix a slight clog?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zers on May 05, 2007, 10:28:11 PM
Well, it seems with that style airbrush (especially if you use primer with it) you should pour some thinner ( I use 99% isopropel alcohol) down the back to clear the back. If it's cleaned and properly thinned, and mixed, i'm not sure what the problem could be. When I have that problem, it usually gets fixed by adding a little thinner, and a proper amount of mixing. You could try putting your finger over the end to block the airflow and push the clog back into the paint chamber, though it won't fix the problem, it'll work better temporarily. Again, more drunk than before, and certainly not an expert =p
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Mikko on May 05, 2007, 10:31:52 PM
Could also be a chipped nozzle.
Do check with a magnifying glass.

Cheers,
Mikko
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: beertax on May 06, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
I'm sorry if these have been covered, but I have a couple basic quesions about cleaning the AB.

First, should I be relying exclsively on 409 solution as cleaning fluid?  Or do I need another, like maybe 91% alcohol or Tamiya thinner?  Also, is it bad to submerge the nozzle area in 409 solution overnight?

Second, should I invest in an AB cleaning brush, and also the medea lubricant to oil the needle?

Again, sorry if these have been covered... I am getting all sorts of conflicting mesages thru internet search, so I need some reassurances.  It really bothers me that my pretty new Iwata is having this spitting problem.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zers on May 06, 2007, 10:36:52 AM
For tamiya acrylics I use 99% alcohol to clean it, haven't tried 409. You are completely disassembling the airbrush and thoroughly cleaning it every now and again right? (I do this every time I put it away for the day, but I think I'm being overly paranoid) Oh, and people say that lacquer thinner works well for cleaning, cause it just eats acrylics if i remember right.

Dunno about the lube, some came with my airbrush, the manual says to lube it if the action becomes stiff, but i haven't had it long enough to warrant using it, cause the action is still smooth.

(my slightly hungover, non-expert opinion =P )
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: beertax on May 06, 2007, 01:25:12 PM
Good news!

The spitting problem has been resolved.  What I did was to both thin the paint substantially, and also I insreted the needle tip reverse into the nozzle and wiggled it around to dislodge any excess residue.  I also had left the nozzle inside the 409 all night and wiped off the disassembled parts all over again with 409 and paper towel.  Now the paint comes out pretty even and soft, as before.

Thx for all the helpful input.  I am still unsure about getting the AB cleaning brush and the lubericant.  Laso about relying too much on 409 to clean the AB.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: makalaka on May 10, 2007, 05:22:21 PM
hi,

Today i bought my first airbrush. It was an impulse buy, mainly because the store had a 40% off sale so I got a badger 155 for around 80 bucks. For now im gonna use air cans but I plan to upgrading to a compressor and I need some help deciding which one to get. I have two options.

An "official" air brush compressor, a badger 180-10 http://www.badgerairbrush.com/newprod.htm (http://www.badgerairbrush.com/newprod.htm).

Or I guess what you would call a "general purpose" air compressor, a campbell hausfeld 2 gallon air compressor that comes with what im guessing is a crappy nail gun. http://www.campbellhausfeld.net/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10051&productId=74905&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=10537 (http://www.campbellhausfeld.net/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10051&productId=74905&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=10537)

I can get the badger for 90 and the other one for 80, so I can go either way. And it doesn't really matter to me if it'll make a lot of noise or not.

Any advice would be helpfull, thanks.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zenismyname on May 12, 2007, 06:52:56 AM
This is my first post so let me start out by saying, the art that Michael is producing is outstanding. I have yet to go through the user galleries on the page but if his work is any indication of the quality of work being done by people, this hobby will be alive for a good long time.

Moving on. I have a new master grade project coming up and I intend to buy a new airbrush and compressor; as my Aztek and testers combo produces well... crap in terms of quality work. I can't quite decide on what to get but I am leaning towards Iwata HP-C Plus. I still don't know what air compressor to get I got about $150 to spend on the compressor so can anyone make any recommendations. also does anyone know a good online store where I can find the Gunze Sangyo Mr. Gundam Color paint sets states side please feel free to enlighten me.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: aibuster on June 11, 2007, 01:01:34 AM
is there an airbrush tip that i can use to control the flow?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Haseo on June 11, 2007, 01:31:05 PM
umm noob here .   when you mask a area off (like put the tape over it)
is there some way to do that? because I do it then i air brush over it and it flows under the tape to places i dont want it to go. 

can some one please help me?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zers on June 11, 2007, 01:59:44 PM
Sounds to me like you're not sealing it properly, make sure to give it a decent press to seal it up so it doesn't run underneath
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FilmMkr on June 11, 2007, 03:39:46 PM
Quote
when you mask a area off (like put the tape over it)  is there some way to do that? because I do it then i air brush over it and it flows under the tape to places i dont want it to go.   can some one please help me?

:sarcasm:  This is exactly what I mean when I say that we can all learn something from other modelers, even if they build something different from what WE like to build (even from an old figure building fart like me).

Go HERE (http://fichtenfoo.com/forum/index.php?topic=2964.0) and read carefully.  You will find the answer to your question here if you just take the time and bother to read a little bit.   :razz: :razz: :razz:
Title: Help my airbrush has gone mad!
Post by: Zenismyname on June 16, 2007, 07:05:26 PM
Hey guys. I am getting a huge airbrush problem: It looks like I am airbrushing with silly string. my Paint is frosting like crazy. At least I think thats the correct term. Anyway I am painting with an Iwata revolution and my air source is a    
Paasche D3000 AIR COMPRESSOR running at about 20 Psi. I am also using Tamiya paints thinned to a 1:1 to a 2.1 depending on the type of paint. I usually am very anal about following certain guidelines when it come to airbrushing, such as paint no more then 8 inches away ( yes I measure sometimes... god Im a nerd.) If you have any tips that can help me out let me know
Title: Re: Help my airbrush has gone mad!
Post by: GlauG on June 17, 2007, 01:28:48 AM
This should go in the airbrush/airbrushing sticky?  But the thing you're describing is something that happens with My Colour paints if you don't use retarder...  I've never had it happen to me with Tamiya acrylics,  but I'm guessing some kind of paint retarder is the fix there as well.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: AJL on June 17, 2007, 08:16:53 AM
I run an Iwata revolution also with tamiya paints at a similar PSI, and haven't had that problem.  Are you thinning with IPA or tamiya thinners?  I would suggest you are perhaps not thinning enough.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: GlauG on July 02, 2007, 12:04:14 AM
With my success at stripping paint with brake fluid, oven cleaner, Cillit Bang and other similar fun, I decided that it was time to give my airbrushes a clean the other week, and left them soaking in one or t'other for a few days before giving their small parts a shake with my ultrasonic cleaner. 

Thing is, my Sparmax brush (DCH-P, I think?  I'm at work ATM, but it's a double-action gravity feed, at any rate) is playing up still.  Despite my best efforts to clean it, paint sprays erratically, with bubbles coming up through the paint resevoir (and while I test-drove it while it was still wet with cleaning fluid, up through the trigger piece).  I had a look through the thread, including the airbrush troubleshooting guide, but I didn't see any solutions that jumped out at me.  If the air's bubbling back up through the resevoir and the paint's not flowing, I'm guessing there's some kind of blockage at the front of the brush, but I've not had any luck cleaning it out, I'm also fairly sure it's not the needle or the inner nozzle thingy, as I've tested several needles and the inner nozzle's almost brand new...  Any ideas? 
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Climax-Zero on September 02, 2007, 09:09:41 PM
Tamiya has released a Trigger HG Airbrunsh last year. I am intrested in purchasing it, but I am not sure whether I can make it not spray anything or spray air or spray paint and air.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on September 03, 2007, 01:10:21 AM
It says here that it's a double action:
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/74510hg_trigger/hg_trigger.htm
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: syn13 on September 10, 2007, 10:27:31 AM
What kind of jobs can the Tamiya Spray Works Basic Compressor pack do?  Basically my friend and I chipped in for a compressor and as well decided to get that specific package.  I know absolutely nothing about air brushes.  Is it good for specific small details?

Added: well I heard that the Tamiya SW set is really very basic, guess I'd get myself a Iwata airbrush and use the current compressor.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: phammerz on October 04, 2007, 06:33:01 PM
Hi,

I'm brand new here, and was wondering if there was anything to look for when buying a used air compressor.  I luckily came across a Paasche D3000 Air Compressor on craigslist for $70 which seems like a great price.  But, I'm hesitant at the same time because its such a great price.  So I was wondering what I should look out for?  Are there any common problems to look for?  Apparently the owner has been using it for tanning.  Anwyays thank you in advance for all replies.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: doodle on January 12, 2008, 07:19:30 PM
Happy New Year Everyone!

Question.
How long can you run your compressor for before it reaches its pressure limit and turns off?
I'm talking about the smaller compressors types like the paasche d500sr.
Is it normal for it to reach its limit and blow out only after a minute and a half?
This is with the regulator set to 15 psi and 10 psi spray.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zers on January 12, 2008, 08:50:23 PM
I have an Iwata compressor, and running at 20 PSI, it generally only runs for 2-5 seconds before it shuts off automatically.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: doodle on January 12, 2008, 10:37:34 PM
Maybe I'm getting the general idea of using a compressor wrong.
Am I supposed to let it run until it reaches max pressure and auto shuts off then start spraying?
Am I supposed to spray while the diaphram is pumping air before it auto shuts off?

How much work time do you actually have ?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zers on January 13, 2008, 11:03:31 AM
well, when you turn it on, it pumps up to pressure, then it stops. Then when you're working, (at least mine) turns on and off to keep the pressure flowing at a regular rate. So, I wait for it to pump up to pressure, then I just go at it till I run out of paint, or run out of model =p
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: doodle on January 13, 2008, 11:16:09 AM
What I do is turn it on with the regulator valve closed then attach my hose for the airbrush.
I turn the valve to set my psi to 20. This thing is supposed to be max 25-30 ish.
It works fine at this point and sprays at 15. Then after a minute or so the whole unit shuts down
and I lose pressure completely. Then all I hear is an electric hum.

Please tell me I'm doing something wrong. I'm completely at a dead end.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: eyewitness on January 13, 2008, 12:50:43 PM
What I do is let my comp fill itself up to 8 BAR (approx 120 PSI) then shut it off, set the reg. valve to 1.5 bar (20 or so PSI), and spray for however long I like or until the pressure inside the tank reaches around 1.5-2 bar, but then again since the big volume of the tank, I can practically airbrush the entire surface of the model with 1 fill. Wierd how this was the cheapest comp I could get my hands on and it's pretty useable for spraying. Except it dishes out 93decibels of sound when pumping... that's what I get when cutting corners in modelling equipment  :embarrased:
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zers on January 13, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
What I do is turn it on with the regulator valve closed then attach my hose for the airbrush.
I turn the valve to set my psi to 20. This thing is supposed to be max 25-30 ish.
It works fine at this point and sprays at 15. Then after a minute or so the whole unit shuts down
and I lose pressure completely. Then all I hear is an electric hum.

Please tell me I'm doing something wrong. I'm completely at a dead end.


Sounds like your compressor has an issue, what brand is it? capacity etc?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: doodle on January 14, 2008, 06:54:55 AM
Paasche D500SR http://www.paascheairbrush.com/2005_parts/D500SR%20Comp.%20Parts%20List.pdf (http://www.paascheairbrush.com/2005_parts/D500SR%20Comp.%20Parts%20List.pdf)

edit: brought it to a shop and they deemed it damaged. they're ordering me up a replacement one.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: AnatoleFarmond on January 21, 2008, 03:44:45 PM
So, I cant currently afford an air compressor, however, I know they have propellant tanks for air brushing. Should I just bear down and save up for a compressor or do these propellant tanks do the job? thanks
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on January 22, 2008, 01:55:27 AM
Air cans are horrible. Don't buy them.
You can always find small compressors for less than 150$. They work perfectly for beginners.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: fulcy on January 22, 2008, 03:45:01 AM
Well, it depends on what propellant tank you are talking about - are you asking about the small cans, that are about the size of a spray can?  If so, then Ez is right - they are horrible, and don't last long.  However, if you are talking about a propellant tank - something similar in size to the tanks that divers use, and are used with welders, then that may be a viable alternative.  Sure, you need to find a source for filling them up, and actually take the tank there to get it filled up, but it will be less expansive than a compressor.

This being said, in the long run, a compressor/tank combination will be more convenient - no need to take the tank anywhere to get it filled.  I prefer having a compressor/tank combination, since it allows the compressor to shut off after building up enough pressure, and let you run off the pressure stored in the tank.  Take a look at these two:

Airbrush Compressor:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92403 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92403)

Compressor with small tank:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95275
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: AnatoleFarmond on January 22, 2008, 06:28:55 PM
Thanks for the insight, both of you. I may just bite the bullet and buy a compressor, since I'm just starting on airbrushing. But in the future I can look into alternative options.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on April 15, 2008, 08:03:13 AM
This Week at Harbor Freight: Item 92403

AKA the Central Pneimatic 30 PSI Oilless Airbrush Compressor.
Includes Filter, Hose, 1/4 NPT Male Adapter and Roll of Teflon Tape.

Only $44.95!

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=92403

My old compressor is dying a slow, painful death so when I saw this I picked it up. I haven't sprayed with it yet, butI plugged it in and it's quieter than my current compressor. Has a pressure regulator and moisture trap/filter. A great buy!

I'll let you guys know more once I try it out, but if you're looking for a cheap compressor, go get it!

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/384/compressoryu2.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compressoryu2.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerobxu on April 15, 2008, 08:07:45 AM
Oh, how I love the HarborFreight. We bought a framing nail gun there a few weeks ago for $60.

Bring a lot more than the $45 for the air compressor--they've got oodles of little tools that modelers love. Myself? I'm eyeballing a $35 mini-grinder. Not sure what I'm going to do with it, but I think I've gotta have it. I also picked up a 60-piece rotary tool set there (I think I paid $10), but haven't had a chance to do anything with it yet.  :pirate:
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on April 15, 2008, 08:13:01 AM
Well, I went there for a punch set and ended up with mini drill bits for my dremmel, vice grips, pliars, and this compressor. They've got tons of dental picks and mini files too. A great store.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: AnatoleFarmond on April 18, 2008, 11:45:25 AM
Finally got my air compressor. It's a Campbell Hausfeld, very loud and very tiny. Not sure if it works however, because when I went to change the needle in my airbrush (Which hasn't been used in probably 2 years...) It wont come out!

I never actually 'knew' how to use my airbrush. It was improperly cleaned, and the needle is coated in red paint. (I don't even remember using it...) So... how do I get the needle out? I fallowed the instructions it came with to the key, but it's still jammed in there, and I have other needles to put in.

Airbrush:
Passche VL Dual Action.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on April 18, 2008, 12:03:03 PM
If it's a metal airbrush, not plastic, you can spray some lacquer thinner (cellulose thinner) through it to start the cleaning process. Then if the needle is still stuck, use an eyedropper to drip some lacquer thinner into the paint-cup hole.  Let it sit in there and try to spin the needle to work the thinner into the paint and remove it. Clean the needle with lacquer and a swab and pipe-cleaner-out the inside of the ab with more lacquer thinner. Take it apart partially based on the instructions if needed. Then rebuild and give it a final cup-full of lacquer and spray out any leftover gunk. That's how I do my occasional big-clean. Inbetween colors I flip the ab and shoot some appropriate thinner through it. (tamiya = alcohol, alclad = lacquer)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Maschinen Krueger on April 22, 2008, 06:33:45 AM
My trusty Badger 200 is finally get worn to the nub after using it for 23 years. internal mix, single action, bottom-feed. That and it's no longer listed in their product line, so spare parts are going to get difficult.

I am looking at an Iwata HP-C Plus as an all around replacement for the Badger.

Or

A HP-B Plus to use for the detail work and keep the Badger for base coats, clear coats, etc.

My main paints are  Tamiya Acrylics and Future (Gloss coat) thinned with Alcohol and  Model Air and Polly Scale (Matt/Satin coat) thinned with water.

How well do either of these airbrushes handle Tamiya Acrylics or Model Air?
Is the Tamiya Pigment fine enough for the HP-B .2mm nozzle? About how thinned does it need to be for detail work? 50/50, 60/40 more?
Does Model Air need further thinning?
Can the HP-C Plus handle fine tight mottled camo too?


Or, if anyone out there has experience with a Badger 100LG or 100G with a Fine tip, let me know how it performs. I can never get a Fine tip and Fine Needle to spray.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: AnatoleFarmond on April 22, 2008, 10:22:35 AM
If it's a metal airbrush, not plastic, you can spray some lacquer thinner (cellulose thinner) through it to start the cleaning process. Then if the needle is still stuck, use an eyedropper to drip some lacquer thinner into the paint-cup hole.  Let it sit in there and try to spin the needle to work the thinner into the paint and remove it. Clean the needle with lacquer and a swab and pipe-cleaner-out the inside of the ab with more lacquer thinner. Take it apart partially based on the instructions if needed. Then rebuild and give it a final cup-full of lacquer and spray out any leftover gunk. That's how I do my occasional big-clean. Inbetween colors I flip the ab and shoot some appropriate thinner through it. (tamiya = alcohol, alclad = lacquer)

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for, I knew one of you guys would know! The paint I used was testers, so I'm going to get testor's thinner and use that and see how it goes. Once that paint dries in there, it's welded shut.
Title: air tank and regulator question
Post by: bean on April 23, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
got a question and would really appreciate some help....

I bought an air tank (that five gallon $20 one) for some...non paintbrushing use (pneumatic potato cannon)...and I want to use it for paint brushing as well, so I got one of those fitting kits, and now I can exchange the hose to a bunch of other stuff.  My question is this:  if the tank is full, that is all 5 gallons at 135 psi, does anyone know what kind of usage I can get out of this if I only paintbrush?

also, I added a regulator and filter for when I use my paintbrush...when I have the regulator set to anything above 20psi, I hear hissing (from the knob) and not only that, at, say 40 psi, when I release the air through the brush, it drops to like 30...is something wrong and do I need to exchange it, or is that just the nature of the beast?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on May 10, 2008, 08:16:09 AM
This Week at Harbor Freight: Item 92403

AKA the Central Pneimatic 30 PSI Oilless Airbrush Compressor.
Includes Filter, Hose, 1/4 NPT Male Adapter and Roll of Teflon Tape.

Only $44.95!

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=92403

My old compressor is dying a slow, painful death so when I saw this I picked it up. I haven't sprayed with it yet, butI plugged it in and it's quieter than my current compressor. Has a pressure regulator and moisture trap/filter. A great buy!

I'll let you guys know more once I try it out, but if you're looking for a cheap compressor, go get it!

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/384/compressoryu2.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compressoryu2.jpg)

A little update here. I'm about to use it for the first time and noticed that the pressure was a tad high. 40psi. So I turned the bolt for the pressure release valve and there was no change whatsoever. I removed the bolt and within there's a spring and a plug. The spring, based on the loosening of the bolt allows so much air to come out of the plug and thus controls the pressure. Well, the spring on mine was REALLY tight and so regardless of the loosening there was no change.

Simple fix: Get wire cutters and trim the spring by 3-4 rings. That fixed it perfectly for me. Less does nothing and more would likely cause trouble later if the spring loses tension.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on May 10, 2008, 12:54:41 PM
I also got a compressor at Harbor Freight. I bought the one that came with an airbrush. I believe the airbrush is a direct copy of the Badger 155 Anthem. The compressor works great! It's pressure gauge adjusts easily and does'nt make much noise.

(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/robofreak1990/IMG_0082.jpg)

The airbrush is really nice. You can buy it separately for $15. Don't let the price fool you this airbrush is capable of doing quite a bit and won't give you any trouble at all.

(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/robofreak1990/IMG_0081.jpg)

Both the compressor and airbrush can be purchased together for $100 which is'nt a bad deal if you ask me. This compressor is the next model up from what you have fichtenfoo, but I don't think that matters.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: bean on May 19, 2008, 02:27:46 PM
how much quieter would you say it is?  how loud is it compared to some household item?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on May 19, 2008, 02:31:39 PM
The compressor humerously is about the same noise leven or slightly lower than my two exhaust fans in my srpaybooth. Very nice!
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on May 19, 2008, 03:07:10 PM
It's my first compressor and I love it! I've got some more stuff that needs painting so I must be off!

FF: you're right on the noise issue. It makes the same amount of noise as your average bathroom fan so it's not irritating like some compressors can be.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: GlauG on May 19, 2008, 03:42:21 PM
Does anyone know how much these things weigh roughly?  A friend of mine works at a Harbour Freight, and we want to know how much it'd cost her to mail one to the UK  for when I'm home...
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on May 19, 2008, 09:48:20 PM
I'm not sure, but I think mine weighs about 10 lbs. Mine is slightly larger than FF's and did come with an airbrush, but it should'nt cost you anymore than $25 shipping. I could be wrong though.
Title: Compressor question
Post by: WY on June 01, 2008, 09:41:53 AM
Is it absolutely, positively necessary to use a compressor that is used exclusively for air brushes? Or am I able to get a compressor that is more industrial (i.e. ones that are used for powering air tools)? I need to know if there are any compatibility issues.

Are there any differences between the two types of compressors? Or are there smaller things that I'm missing.

Of course, let's assume that all the hoses work and stuff... unless they don't, in which case I'm stuck.

Thanks.


**oops... found out there was a sticky at the top for these questions... my bad.  ^_^

MOD EDIT: No worries--we've merged it in with the sticky.   :pirate:
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 01, 2008, 10:37:45 AM
You can use an industrial compressor. I've done it. Make sure to get the proper hose fittings to make it all fit and get an in-line moisture trap as well.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: makalaka on June 01, 2008, 11:37:18 AM
One word of warring though, the noise from the "workshop" compressor gets annoying after awhile. Mine has a tank so its not on constantly but every time it starts up it makes me jump a little and with extended use it gives me a slight headache. The cheapest one I could find (the one I bought) was from Wal-Mart for 80 bucks about a year ago. If I knew that there was a harbor freight by my school I would've gotten one of their compressors instead I might upgrade to one of those if I get some extra cash. 

As for hoses my badger hose screw'd right in to the compressor outlet. I've had no trouble with moisture either so I never bought a moisture trap.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: WY on June 01, 2008, 03:01:22 PM
Sweet.

There's a 2 gallon compressor at Wal-Mart (I live in Ontario, Canada) that goes up to a max of like 100 psi (but also comes with the thing that lets you choose how much pressure is applied. This baby costs $100 CDN. On the other hand, there's one that is 1 gallon tank and that runs for $60 CDN.

Sooo... all in all, I would be able to get away with a brush/compressor set for ~$200. But like FF said, I should make sure the hoses fit and get a filter.

Any ideas on how much the filters are? Ballpark figures.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 01, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
Why get that kind of compressor for that much $$$? You can get a proper airbrush compressor for less.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: WY on June 01, 2008, 03:34:10 PM
Oh? I... did not know that.

The currys that's around here has their compressors at about a minimum of $250. You can go to their website and laugh at the ridiculous prices. I'm not sure what makes them so expensive. If I can get it for cheaper, any ideas on where to find said cheaper compressors?

*edit: I think I'll get an airbrush/compressor set from Harbor Heights... lol. If it's good enough for you guys, it'd probably be more than enough for me.

Clearly, I'm a nOOb at airbrushing. But I'd figure if I'm going to go poor, I'd rather do so on brushing than spray cans.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 01, 2008, 05:45:27 PM
Yeah, definitely get the Harbor Freight one... pretty nice for the $$$
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on June 01, 2008, 10:39:00 PM
Get the one that I got from Harbor Freight. It's like FF's (same brand) only it comes with an airbursh. Trust me the airbrush is quite good. Take a look at the last post I made with the pics. That's the one I got. I don't even use my AZTEK anymore since I got it. The price will definitely help you do it on the cheap.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: WY on June 02, 2008, 03:48:20 PM
I'm looking at the website and there are 3 items of interest.

1. Brush itself - $15
2. Compressor itself - $50
3. Brush + Compressor - $80.

So why would I want to buy the "combo" when getting them individually is cheaper? LoL... There better be something that's filling that $15 gap.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on June 02, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
It's more expensive because the compressor that comes with the airbrush is the next model up. It's a little bigger and less noisy that the other.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: WY on June 02, 2008, 05:02:57 PM
Ohh.. I see. I guess it's also in one nice package and there's no need to worry about stock.

Do you think it's worth the $15 for a "little bigger and less noisy" compressor?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on June 02, 2008, 06:16:10 PM
I think so. The constant sound will drive you nuts eventually so with the slightly less noisy one your chances of a headache are less. I've been able to paint for a while before I finally have to stop and call it a day. You can always just give it a try and return it if you end up not liking it.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: WY on June 02, 2008, 06:18:38 PM
Haha... Thanks for the heads up. I'll give it ago once I save up enough of my pennies and nickels. Hopefully I'll make the purchse by the end of the month.  ;)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 03, 2008, 07:10:04 AM
I have the cheaper compressor and it's really not all that noisy. My old compressor... that was noisy. This is no noisier than the bathroom exhaust fans I use in my spraybooth.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: WY on June 03, 2008, 05:32:29 PM
LoL. Well, I know how loud industrial compressors can get. I've worked with air tools or various types. There's a compressor that was pretty big and when it turned on, the whole factory heard it. O_o;

In which case, I'll have to have to see which one to get by the end of the month. Being the cheap person I am, I might save that $15 and put it towards other supplies or shipping.  :razz:
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: walker on June 09, 2008, 03:19:26 PM
Okay, so I know the number one goal of airbrushing is to prevent spiderwebbing and ripples, and I know how to do that... but what if it DOES happen? Just strip it and try again? :/
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 09, 2008, 03:22:16 PM
Basically. Or use a very very fine grit sanding film and polish it down.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: walker on June 10, 2008, 09:57:43 PM
Another question as I slowly and painfully pop my airbrushing cherry. Well, two.

1. If I spray on too much and sit the part down to dry, then it slowly starts kind of lumping/pooling in a certain area, what's the best course of action? Wipe it down with a paper towel and do another coat?
2. Is it normal to use WAY more paint when airbrushing than I normally would brush painting? :/
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on June 11, 2008, 05:41:33 AM
1: If that's happening you're not doing it right. You shouldn't have pooled paint when airbrushing. Thin successive coats air-drying inbetween. Check my airbrushing flash tutorial on my main site.

2: Yes and no. Depends on how much you overspray. Considering #1 above, that's probably your problem.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: nico on June 11, 2008, 08:26:48 AM
Well I have a Hansa "oil bath" compressor cost me 350 euros 3 years before. It has a 4 liters air reserve and does no noise at all. It weights 13 kgrs.
Yours are really cheap.
My air brush is a badger 360. I also have an Aztec but I don't paint with it anymore.

Nico
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: walker on June 12, 2008, 04:55:12 PM
Ah, I got it now. My problems were stemming from using a Badger propellant can, and it was either, like, all or none--the air (and thus paint) would either come out like the Nile, or not at all. I finally found the right pressure. Either way, I should invest in a compressor. -_-

Thanks for the help. Not like anyone cares, but I'll be posting my first airbrushed kit tonight once it dries, so you guys can laugh at my legendary failure.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: fulcy on June 13, 2008, 02:35:33 AM
Thanks for the help. Not like anyone cares, but I'll be posting my first airbrushed kit tonight once it dries, so you guys can laugh at my legendary failure.

It's not that you failed that should matter, it's that you learned something in the process...
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: chaos_theory on June 13, 2008, 05:05:07 AM
It's not that you failed that should matter, it's that you learned something in the process...

Amen, preach it brother Fulcy.

If at first you don't succeed, strip and paint again.
Title: Paint and airbrush questions...
Post by: Soul3ss on June 13, 2008, 06:30:47 PM
I've got questions regarding paint. Recently I've began building kits again, and used Mr. Color paints. I notice these small little dots or blobs of paint once the parts are dry.

What can I do to get rid of these dots, or at least minimize them when I airbrush? I use a 1:1 paint to thinner ratio. The paint surface turns out great, these dots are just the problem.

Should I buy a new airbrush? I currently use an Iwata HP-CS airbrush, could higher quality brush help? If so, what do you recommend?

Also...

Not to go off topic, but what kind of spray booth would you guys recommend? I'd like to buy one, instead of building it since I'm at work a lot. I'd be able to spend $300, $400 tops.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on June 14, 2008, 06:37:26 AM
Might be a thinning ratio problem.
Have you checked the airbrushing tutorial?
http://www.fichtenfoo.com/02GiantRobots/02c-MGHowTo.html#Painting
I only use Tamiya acrylics but I would say 1:1 ratio is the issue.
Iwata is usually quality stuff, don't think that's the problem, except if it needs to be cleaned.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: chaos_theory on June 14, 2008, 10:56:04 AM
Are you using a moisture trap? humidity could be the problem.

I just use a cardboard box and a bathroom exhaust fan... But then again I'm a cheap b@$#@rd.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Soul3ss on June 14, 2008, 08:39:56 PM
No, I'm not using a moisture trap. I have sprayed with Tamiya Acrylics in the past without a moisture trap, and my surfaces have always turned out fine without any blobs/dots of paint. When I've used Tamiya Acrylics I have airbrushed with 2/3 paint and 1/3 thinner.

Would anyone suggest for me to buy a moisture trap? Or could there be a different problem as to why I'm getting blobs/dots of paint?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Soul3ss on June 24, 2008, 09:22:31 PM
I apologize for this follow up post.

I fixed the problem, all I had to do was sand the blobs/dots of paint with fine Tamiya Compound and 2000 sandpaper. I lightly sanded it and worked well. I noticed that if you sand too much you end up seeing the primer underneath.

Also...

I went to my local art store to buy a new needle and nozzle. The needle size was .5 mm and the nozzle was .5 mm as well. Now I'm not an airbrush expert, I've always used my airbrush no matter what problem I've had with it. I placed the new needle and nozzle into my Iwata HP-CS airbrush, added paint and just as I sprayed air I saw paint come out. I continued spraying only air, and I continued to see little paint come out. Is this normal for an airbrush? Or are my new needle and nozzle the problem?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on June 24, 2008, 11:33:41 PM
Did you ask to the people in the shop if it's supposed to be compatible with your model?
Was the stuff you bought Iwata's?
Also, 0.5 mm is big for simple model airbrushing.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Soul3ss on June 25, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
Ah, I see... Then it's my mistake for buying such a large needle and nozzle. I had a feeling it wasn't the right choice when I purchased them, but since I was rushing to get to work I just bought it. The only other options for this brush are a 0.35mm nozzle and 0.35mm needle, are these smaller and should I buy these for my Iwata HP-CS airbrush? Is this a good choice for spraying lacquers?

Also does anyone here know where I can buy an Iwata Pre-Set Adjustable Handle (hopefully at a low price) for my airbrush?
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4180/presetadjustablehandleak6.th.jpg) (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=presetadjustablehandleak6.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on June 25, 2008, 11:37:44 PM
Well since the original needle size was 0.35 mm, yeah that's what I'd have bought... and uh, yeah, 0.5 is  bigger than 0.35.
Don't know if you can actually switch size. Should've ask the guy before buying. Note that I'm not even sure if that's what causing the dots problem. Is your airbrush clean, have you bent the needle? Could be many things.

As for the other thing, ebay.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Soul3ss on July 02, 2008, 03:09:45 PM
I've found an online store that sells the pre-set handle I'm looking for, but now I'm having second thoughts about buying it (not because it sells for $38 total including shipping). I'm not sure if I should just buy the pre-set handle and crown cap for my Iwata Eclipse HP-CS airbrush and "fix" it up, or just buy another airbrush.

What I really want is an airbrush that will give me better results, that's usable with my Iwata Sprint Jet. By better results I mean something that sprays lacquers (Mr. Color) better, that gives me a great surface when I airbrush, and that minimizes or eliminates those little paint spots (blobs/dots) on my paint job.

Should I just fix my airbrush by adding on those parts, or should I just buy a new one (Iwata High Performance plus, Iwata Hi-Line, Iwata Custom Micron)?

Suggestions/tips are extremly appreciated. I just want to get back to building kits. Please help, I want to settle on the right brush, not spend tons of money until I find the right one.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 02, 2008, 03:59:53 PM
I'm not sure it's your airbrush, it might be the way you paint. It might just be as simple as replacing the needle (a slightly nicked or bent one will cause dots) and giving it a good cleaning coupled with thinning your paint better.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Soul3ss on July 04, 2008, 08:47:07 PM
I haven't bought the new needle and nozzle yet due to the fact that my art store is out of them. I remember one night, that my airbrush wasn't spraying right. Very little air was coming out of the airbrush (my compressor was working fine), I had to loosen the nozzle cap just to get the normal amount of air to come out of the brush.

Today I talked to my buddy at the art store and he compared the current needle I use to the standard needle for my airbrush. Turns out I was sold a 0.5mm needle in 0.35mm packaging :angry:. Well, after calming down he also told me that the nozzle was damaged due to the 0.5mm needle. He will give me a new correctly sized needle (0.35mm) and a new nozzle (0.35mm) as soon as they arrive, free of charge. Made sense why my airbrush didn't work and the nozzle cap wasn't allowing me to spray well. The nozzle tip got widened by the needle and blocked a lot of air.

BTW, when I thin Mr. Color paints, I add 10cc paint and 12cc thinner. When I airbrush my parts I paint in thin coats slowly, holding my airbrush away from the part (maybe 8 inches away?).

I've been wondering:

The air pressure gauge on my Sprint Jet compressor has a moisture filter, and inside is this small white little filter of some type. Is that supposed to be on tightly or loose?

I've also heard that many people airbrush without the needle cap. I've been told by some people that it sprays finer or that it's better. I'd like to know your opinion from your experience airbrushing, that way I'll know if I should buy a crown cap.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: DrDazzle on July 09, 2008, 07:03:04 PM
So it will most likely be a good while before I worry about an airbrush setup, but I was looking into airbrushes today for fun. I hear a lot of people say that Iwatas are some of the best you can buy, but a lot of people have always stood by Paasche airbrushes as well. My question is simply, should I go with an Iwata Eclipse brush, or go for the Paasche VL? The VL is a good bit cheaper which is my main reason for asking.

Also, anyone know the major differences between the Millenium and the VL? The Millenium is a few bucks cheaper and is damn sure prettier  :P .
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Exitus on September 06, 2008, 06:17:58 PM
Hi guys,
sorry for disturbing but i am a newbie to the gunpla world who has been religiously following and learning from your tutorials (many thanks for providing them :)) however i have been having a problem after applying the paint to my kits.
So, after airbrushing my kits using tamiya acrylics thinned with isoprolyc alcohool(50:50/40:60 paint thinner ratios) i have been noticing that the parts after drying are leaving something that resembles dust that is the same color as the paint.
So my question is if you are familiar with this problem and if you would be able to help me try and solve it.
Many thanks in advance
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: chaos_theory on September 06, 2008, 08:03:05 PM
Your culprit could be one of two things (both of which have been discussed numerous times on the boards).

1. Paint Flashing Most likely you are holding your airbrush a bit too far away from your subject. The paint in turn is drying in the air before it reaches the surface. Best bet is to strip or sand and repaint

2. Real Dust If you aren't using a spraybooth with an exhaust fan (which you can build easily for 10 bucks) then dust from your surroundings could be sticking to your wet paint. Hardware stores sell bathroom exhaust fans and you can build a booth or use a medium to large cardboard box.
Here is FF's nice double fan booth http://fichtenfoo.com/gallery/FF-Tools/FFWorkshop1

When in doubt Foo's search toolbar is located at the top of each forum page. :D
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: merajj on September 14, 2008, 03:02:44 PM
(http://merajj.com/t/airbrush.jpg)

here's my setup:

hose -> pressure thingy (name ?) -> airbrush..

air is leaking though pretty badly. it attempts to hold the pressure at 30-40 but air is leaking out of where the hose and airbrush connects and at somepoint on the moisture trap pressure gauge thing. so what do i need to do ?

thanks guysz
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on September 14, 2008, 05:28:09 PM
There's some tape you'll need to get that is commonly used to seal plumbing leaks (silicon tape, I believe).  Had the same problem with mine; got some, wrapped it around the threads for all the connectors (compressor to moisture trap, MT to hose, hose to AB).  No more leaks  :)

(http://merajj.com/t/airbrush.jpg)

here's my setup:

hose -> pressure thingy (name ?) -> airbrush..

air is leaking though pretty badly. it attempts to hold the pressure at 30-40 but air is leaking out of where the hose and airbrush connects and at somepoint on the moisture trap pressure gauge thing. so what do i need to do ?

thanks guysz
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: merajj on September 14, 2008, 05:34:52 PM
perfect thanks ! i was wondering what the purpose of that white tape was on the threads of the compressor.

i have one more question. as the compressor runs, it runs, stops at around 40 psi, leaks at this point because i haven't fixed it yet obviously, falls to around 20-30, then fills back up to 40. when i am spraying (i just did some test parts) it drops from 40 to 20 and can only maintain around 20psi. is this normal ? i can make a vid in the next week or so to show this perhaps... it just is annoying because the pressure change causes the paint to be more/less fine when sprayed.

Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Doctor Seleski on September 14, 2008, 10:53:28 PM
There's some tape you'll need to get that is commonly used to seal plumbing leaks (silicon tape, I believe). 

Teflon tape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_seal_tape) actually.  If you go into a hardware store or a Walmart looking for silicon tape, you'll get some blank looks.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerobxu on September 17, 2008, 12:08:24 PM
bump for my question about pressure.

Thou hast been smited for thy unnecessary bumpage.

(don't do that again--seriously)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 28, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
I added a brief article about the cheap airbrush/compressor set from Harbor Freight. I can't tell you how many times I've recommended this in the past year via email responses. Maybe this will help alleviate that!

http://fichtenfoo.com/blog/?p=116
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: walker on December 01, 2008, 04:51:40 PM
This Week at Harbor Freight: Item 92403

AKA the Central Pneimatic 30 PSI Oilless Airbrush Compressor.
Includes Filter, Hose, 1/4 NPT Male Adapter and Roll of Teflon Tape.

Only $44.95!

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=92403

My old compressor is dying a slow, painful death so when I saw this I picked it up. I haven't sprayed with it yet, butI plugged it in and it's quieter than my current compressor. Has a pressure regulator and moisture trap/filter. A great buy!

I'll let you guys know more once I try it out, but if you're looking for a cheap compressor, go get it!

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/384/compressoryu2.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compressoryu2.jpg)

A little update here. I'm about to use it for the first time and noticed that the pressure was a tad high. 40psi. So I turned the bolt for the pressure release valve and there was no change whatsoever. I removed the bolt and within there's a spring and a plug. The spring, based on the loosening of the bolt allows so much air to come out of the plug and thus controls the pressure. Well, the spring on mine was REALLY tight and so regardless of the loosening there was no change.

Simple fix: Get wire cutters and trim the spring by 3-4 rings. That fixed it perfectly for me. Less does nothing and more would likely cause trouble later if the spring loses tension.

What's your verdict on this compressor? I'm looking at getting it for Christmas, and if it's good enough for you, well, it's good enough for me. (I currently have that stupid "blue ice" Testors mini compressor which I was overcharged $30 for, and, durr hurr, doesn't work.) Thanks.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 02, 2008, 08:32:09 AM
I like it so far. No issues at all. The pressure regulator is odd, but it's my first use of one so maybe that's how they work. I set the pressure by holding down my AB button. But at first there's a slight build-up of pressure before it stabilizes. Nothing major as long as you don't immediately start spraying paint on the part after letting it sit for more than 10 seconds or so. Airblast, trigger back, smooth painting.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: walker on December 02, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
I like it so far. No issues at all. The pressure regulator is odd, but it's my first use of one so maybe that's how they work. I set the pressure by holding down my AB button. But at first there's a slight build-up of pressure before it stabilizes. Nothing major as long as you don't immediately start spraying paint on the part after letting it sit for more than 10 seconds or so. Airblast, trigger back, smooth painting.

Awesome, ordered. I've never used that either but I hear that with all airbrushes/compressors/air supplies/whatever, that you need to spray it on something else first because pressure builds up. So you're saying that if I let the airbrush sit I'll just need to get out the extra pressure first? Not a problem. I'll work on the thing with the spring too. I just feel like there should be a catch somewhere, since the other compressors I was looking at were in the $150+ range... maybe I'm just a crappy shopper. Also those were Aztek/Testors compressors because I wanted something that was the same brand as my airbrush so as to avoid fitting problems, so maybe that was my problem.

Also, I've got an Aztek A320 (lol) and a bunch of different thread size adapters. If it doesn't fit, do you know if I can just go to the hardware store or something and see if they'll make me an adapter? I mean it doesn't have to be the same company compressor and airbrush as long as the thread fits, right?

Thanks again
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: walker on December 14, 2008, 11:03:57 PM
Having the spring problem as well with mine (44 or so psi when idle) so I'm going to apply your fix. It sprays thinner fine at 30, but not paint, although I believe my nozzle is the problem--when I take out the nozzle on my Aztek A320 (but keep the nozzle casing on) I get a real nice steady flow of air, but with the nozzle in there I get next to nothing. (It was subject to a bunch of trial and error with my old compressor so it's probably broken.) Moreover I still have no idea what the hell the little needle and spring combo does--I can't get anything to come out with it in there like it says to have it in the instructions, only when I take it out... and when I stick it in there to clean the nozzle with, paint sticks in the spring. I wish I could just get this crap right for once after a half year of trying and a hell of a lot of money wasted along the way. Anyway, gonna try and buy a new nozzle tomorrow (how widely carried are Aztek nozzles?)

(Sorry about the double post but it's pretty pointless just to edit a month old one with new info nobody will look at.)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: merajj on January 12, 2009, 06:10:33 PM
so i ended up fixing my little pressure problem with gafers (sp?) tape. its perfectly quiet now and doesn't leak air like it used to. im still a bit confused on the way the pressure idles how ever, it goes up to 40, then as you start to spray it drops all the way down to 30 and holds at continuous 30. is it supposed to even be going up to 40 ?

further more i finally got around to spraying a piece today and had a real fun time dealing with the paint being ... too thick perhaps ? i guess my only question was could this be somehow related to a pressure issue ?

(http://merajj.com/t/testpiece.jpg)

thanks bros and brosefs
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on January 12, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
so i ended up fixing my little pressure problem with gafers (sp?) tape. its perfectly quiet now and doesn't leak air like it used to. im still a bit confused on the way the pressure idles how ever, it goes up to 40, then as you start to spray it drops all the way down to 30 and holds at continuous 30. is it supposed to even be going up to 40 ?

I've been wondering this too - for those of us that have compressors without tanks (which would keep the pressure constant and make it a moot point) is the pressure we're supposed to be measuring by to spray with (say, for Alclad, that says to use 15 PSI) the pressure we have at idle, or while spraying?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: yesterd4y on January 18, 2009, 06:36:21 PM
What is the ideal tip/needle size? From what I've read, .5mm is too big. Would .3mm be best for detail work and gunpla?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on March 28, 2009, 03:49:38 PM
I just pulled my AB apart for it's first complete cleaning. The problem now is that it won't go back together properly. When you pull the back portion out that holds the needle, the trigger assembly comes out in 2 pieces. The problem I'm having is getting the trigger parts to go back together without being locked in one position. I've tried about 4 different ways to put the thing back together, but nothing is working properly. Can someone help me figure out how it should go back together? The instruction diagram is pretty much useless.

The AB I have is the Harbor Freight double action/internal mix by Central Pneumatic.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: makalaka on March 28, 2009, 05:16:13 PM
hmm. Can you possibly post a picture of what your talking about? I or more likely others, will be able to help you out more.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on March 28, 2009, 05:26:42 PM
I'm sorry about that! I took the pic, but I forgot to post it. :doh:

Here's the problem. The needle keeps everything stable so it need to into the rear brass area first. From there, It's a matter of putting the trigger together properly. I also notice that there's another part of the brass assembly inside the AB, but it's difficult to remove.

(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/robofreak1990/IMG_0219.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: makalaka on March 28, 2009, 07:00:46 PM
This looks very similar to my badger 155 (which sucks because I paid way more then you did for yours XD) but anyways. I think I know what your problem is because I did the same thing with mine. What I do is first put the gold tube part assembly in but only half the way it goes. Then put the trigger and thing-a-mabob in and slide the needle through and lock it in place with the thumb screw at the end. I then pull back the trigger if its too loose, ie I can pull it back too easily, I tighten the gold assembly, If it's too hard to pull back I loosen the gold assembly. Besides holing the needle in place the gold assembly controls the pressure of the trigger, so if you tighten it all the way it wont let the trigger move back at all. which is what I think your problem is. 

Hope I helped. If not, perhaps someone else can :)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: robofreak on March 28, 2009, 07:20:34 PM
Thank you for telling me how to reassemble it, but now I have another problem. :pirate:

The gold tube assembly contains a spring which allows all the trigger functions to work properly. Since this AB is based on the 155, I'm assuming you have a similar set up. The spring and the entire assembly are not working at all. I can still use the trigger and adjust the amount of spray, but it's become a lot more frustrating to use.

It looks like I'll be going to Harbor Freight on Tuesday for a new one. :(

EDIT: I solved the problem. It works great now and it's nice and clean! :D
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: walker on June 12, 2009, 01:16:12 PM
Got a problem guys

My Aztek A320's needle isnt going far enough into the airbrush to let enough paint out (most i get if a super-super-fine mist, if anything at all). I know for a fact the nozzle (its brand new) and compressor (works fine with my piece of crap badger 250) are fine and are not the problem. It's almost like the pole on the inside of the airbrush isn't going far in engouh when I press the trigger. I've dis- and re-assembled the airbrush several times already so if I have to do so again that's not a problem. Thanks a lot for your help.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on June 12, 2009, 02:38:07 PM
Is it possible to add a tank onto a compressor?  I have a badger compressor (don't remember the model right off hand) and hate how noisy the damn thing is, and it runs constantly when I'm spraying.  If so, where can I find a suitable tank?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on June 26, 2009, 09:56:54 AM
OK so I finally managed to get ahold of Badger support and they said the largest tank they would recommend for my compressor is a half gallon....   I guess I'm just going to spring for a compressor with a built-in tank and sell this one.  So, here's the question:  as badger doesn't have compressors with tanks (that I see), can someone recommend a suitable compressor for my apartment with a tank?  I have a Badger 175 airbrush.  Space is at a premium, but I would also like it to be relatively quiet.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on July 10, 2009, 12:25:36 AM
Is there any ways to make compressors run quieter?  I like to do my modelling late into the night/early in the morning, but as I live in an apartment I tend to disturb my neighbors downstairs.  I have to go outside and airbrush on the balcony and the sound from the compressor echoes pretty bad.  I had turned it on inside and it didn't seem to make much noise, but I guess I was mistaken...  :)  maybe the carpet vs concrete floor had something to do with it?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: chaos_theory on July 10, 2009, 05:16:21 AM
I have the same kind of crappy badger compressor and  run into the same problems. It runs constantly and its loud... car engine loud. Its missing one of rubber feet but hell, I'm surprised its lasted 13 years.

My trick for quieter airbrushing: Use a few big towels folded thick, underneath and over top. Just buy a couple new ones to ensure you get a good, thick towel. Plus they are great when you spill or splatter some paint no more scrambling for clean up. Make sure your compressor can breathe. Not the best but will knock out a lot of the vibrations and muffle the sound some too.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: dp on August 18, 2009, 08:26:44 AM
This might be stupid question. I have a COPIC Airbrush system in a storage locker *wonder's where exactly.* Before I begin, what could be a timely journey, does anyone have any experience in it's ability to put some decent paint down on any models? If there aren't any shoot downs of this idea I'd be happy to forage the system out and give it a trial run.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: KingGainer on August 21, 2009, 02:16:42 AM
I have a super insane question, well maybe not that insane.  I hear about people using innertubes as air tanks for their brushes, and I have something like that.  It's a refillable aerosol can that holds up to 90psi, for spraying paint or misting plants or whatever.  It's got a schrader valve on the side to fill it up, I want to couple my airbrush regulator onto that and use it as an air source.  How can I couple my regulator and a schrader valve?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 02, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
So about a month or so ago I broke down and ordered an Iwata HP-BH. I finally used it tonight painting my Sinanju... :twitch:

I LOVE IT! Not that my old airbrush was crap, but I'm simply amazed at the smoothness of the paint finish, the fine lines achieved, etc...

So I'm an Iwata convert I guess and my Badgers are relegated to primer duty. Actually I'll as always use my venerable Badger 150 for primer... my Badger 175 Crescendo however... I think she's going into the junk drawer. :sarcasm:

RickDTM recommended the A due to the clean sight line as opposed to the C, but I needed a bigger cup than the A. The B is perfect for my needs. Thanks Rick!
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on September 02, 2009, 07:18:08 PM
I'm sorry about that! I took the pic, but I forgot to post it. :doh:

Here's the problem. The needle keeps everything stable so it need to into the rear brass area first. From there, It's a matter of putting the trigger together properly. I also notice that there's another part of the brass assembly inside the AB, but it's difficult to remove.

(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/robofreak1990/IMG_0219.jpg)

I know it's been a while and you have probably already fixed this by know (at least I hope you have!), but I wanted to post my experience with the same issue on my Badger 175.  The brass part you have on the far right has a part that should slide in and out.  On my badger, it's shapped like a half circle.  Not the first time I did it, but maybe 3rd or 5th, it was "locked" like you were describing.  Turns out, the small brass piece that's a half-circle slides in and out of the big brass piece, and I guess when I put it back together the small piece got turned a bit and wouldn't slide in and out.  Problem solved, lesson learned, and sharing the experience with other noobs  :D



So....just read Foo's post about junking the 175...  and I have to agree.  I'm still in the process of painting my first two kits (waiting for the gaggle of cats to be out of the apartment so I can leave my crap out in peace!) but I really am not satisfied with the paint spray the 175 puts out.  I'm seriously eyeballing a gravity-feed of some sort (got tired of paint dripping everywhere when changing colors; usually have them in separate jars).  Thinking about getting a Paasche, maybe an Iwata...  I might just copy Foo, since he's pretty much my Gunpla role model  :D
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 02, 2009, 07:35:21 PM
Don't get me wrong... The 175 isn't a bad brush... I've done everything you see on my site with the 175. However the 175 was starting to "deteriorate" and not work as well as it used to. So instead of pumping more $$$ into parts, I upgraded and the upgrade makes all the difference. I actually miss the easy pull-off back to clean the needle! Although the HP-BH is way easier to keep clean. I'm still trying to work out my paint mixing process for it since I'm used to occasionally mixing in my small AB cups. Can't do that on the built-in cup!

The 150 though is still a great brush. Very well made and I've been using it for my Alclads and primers. I've had the 150 since 1993 so you know it's gonna last!
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: pcell on September 06, 2009, 10:17:12 PM
Don't get me wrong... The 175 isn't a bad brush... I've done everything you see on my site with the 175. However the 175 was starting to "deteriorate" and not work as well as it used to. So instead of pumping more $$$ into parts, I upgraded and the upgrade makes all the difference. I actually miss the easy pull-off back to clean the needle! Although the HP-BH is way easier to keep clean. I'm still trying to work out my paint mixing process for it since I'm used to occasionally mixing in my small AB cups. Can't do that on the built-in cup!

The 150 though is still a great brush. Very well made and I've been using it for my Alclads and primers. I've had the 150 since 1993 so you know it's gonna last!

The 175 was actually my first brush in 99 as well but i wasnt too happy about investing into parts as well and started getting irritated by the clean up so i found a gravity feeder in an iwata hp-c (now discontinued) back in 01 and have been in love with it since.  It feels better in the hand and so much easier to clean IMO than the 175.  I even got the fluid nozzle upgrade for the .18mm spray and have not used anything else until the wife bought me a CM-C Plus for my birthday a couple years ago.  I still use my ol hp-c for primers and metal colors and use my cm-c+ for everything else because it has spoiled me with a preset handle & micro air control valve
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: mtomczek on January 08, 2010, 11:10:49 PM
To echo what Fichtenfoo as already said earlier, I have a brief and earlier review of the Iwata HP-C Plus.

I received a new Iwata HP-C Plus for Christmas this year from my wife, and the quality right out of the box was evident. It just felt so much nicer then my Paasche VL Series brushes that I have been using. The trigger moves effortlessly, and the entire airbrush is just built better.

I ended up having to order a new airhose for it, since the connection on the airbrush itself was larger then that on the Paasche. The hose arrived on Tuesday, and tonight was able to give the Iwata its first test run. I had just finished putting the base coat on the internal parts of the 1/72 Sazabi, and needed to start the shading and highlights. So I hooked up the Iwata, cleaned it out, and put a bit of my shadow color in the cup.

First thing I noticed, I need to practice mixing paint for it, and re-learning my thinning and mixtures a bit. I had a bit of skipping in my paint flow at first, but after a bit of adjustment of air pressure and paint consistency I had it working pretty well.

The thing that amazed me was the fact that I could produce a line so thin and accurate it looked like it was drawn with a mechanical pencil with almost no overspray or stippling in the line. I also noticed that as I worked on shading some of the leg parts, I was using far less paint then my Paasche had been going through.

So for initial impressions and my first 20 minutes or so spraying paint out of it, I am an Iwata convert as well. It will mainly be used for detail and medium coverage work, while the Paasche will be used for large base coats but it will be my primary brush from now on. Worth every penny in my opinion.

I'll have pictures up tomorrow of some of the line work that can be done with it, as well as some of the parts that have been painted using it.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on March 04, 2010, 06:11:34 PM
Hey guys I'm curious if anyone could help me out with this, I'm stuck as to what kind of compressor I should use, someone recommended I buy a regular compressor instead of a hobby one and just add a moisture trap. I've been looking around but I'm still not sure what to do.

I've got a Badger Crescendo 175 and I was thinking of buying a Paasche 99 D200R from dixieart but I haven't seen much about it, is it any good? Will it work?

I've also found this: http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_00915309000P?keyword=compressor But I'm not even remotely sure if I can get a moisture trap that fits...

Should I get the Paasche or goo with the regular compressor and get a moisture trap? Thanks!
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: tetsujin on March 10, 2010, 04:54:34 PM
Hey guys I'm curious if anyone could help me out with this, I'm stuck as to what kind of compressor I should use, someone recommended I buy a regular compressor instead of a hobby one and just add a moisture trap. I've been looking around but I'm still not sure what to do.

I've got a Badger Crescendo 175 and I was thinking of buying a Paasche 99 D200R from dixieart but I haven't seen much about it, is it any good? Will it work?

I've also found this: http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_00915309000P?keyword=compressor But I'm not even remotely sure if I can get a moisture trap that fits...

Should I get the Paasche or goo with the regular compressor and get a moisture trap? Thanks!

Hi, I'm in kind of a similar boat, but maybe I can be of some help.

In 2001 I got my first compressor - a "regular" compressor with 3 gallon tank by Campbell Hausfeld.  This broke down late last year (after eight years of use) and so I've been trying to figure out what to replace it with.  I initially bought a fairly big compressor from Sears, but this has proven too noisy and has a nasty habit of putting oil into the line (could be a breaking-in issue, I don't know - but it's bad news and so far I haven't been able to make it stop)  That compressor is going back to Sears as soon as I come up with a reasonable substitute.

Anyway - I liked the CH because, while it was fairly loud, it would only have to run for a minute or so to fill the tank, and then I could spray from pressure stored in the tank for a while.  However, I've also had some paint adhesion problems.  I don't know if this was an issue with my air supply (i.e. moisture or oil in the line) or if it was a surface prep thing, but I'm thinking of moving to either an Iwata or Paasche, and hope to see a reduction in that issue.  But I used the CH for just about everything I've done since I started airbrushing.

You should be able to attach just about anything to a typical compressor - most of them use 1/4" fittings so it all works together.  You can also get moisture traps and such that hook up in line with your airbrush - I found the weight of those things too annoying but with the right setup it could probably be useful.

Now, I have a question: I'm looking at two compressors, the Iwata Smart Jet and the Paasche D3000.  They're both 1/8HP compressors, they both pump up to 40 PSI and have auto shut off, but the Paasche costs less and has a tank and regulator.  But it seems like everybody around uses Iwata.  Is Iwata really better?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: 2ndname on March 21, 2010, 06:41:49 PM
After reading the forums I bit the bullet and bought my first set of AB/Compressor.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92403 and http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95810.

Can't really beat the price at $75 shipped to CA.

Now that those 2 are in transit, what else would I need to purchase?
My goal is to start with just Top Coating Gloss, Decal Panel Lines, Top Coating Matte.  Will eventually move on to actual painting.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on April 08, 2010, 08:38:07 AM
Well so much for the Harbor Freight compressor, it's been discontinued. :(
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: ahaiko on April 08, 2010, 05:20:54 PM
Harbor Freight still has two other compressors available, and both are pretty reasonable:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95630 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95630)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93657 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93657)
Also, if you have one of their stores in your area, chances are they still have the other compressor in stock
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on April 08, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
Yeah what frustrates me is that I placed an order 3 days ago for it and for some reason they couldn't authorize my card so when I tried to reorder today, lo-and-behold... gone! ... grrr.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: SOLIDOPS on April 11, 2010, 04:35:34 PM
Hi, what is the difference between siphon feed and gravity feed? After a quick google search, gravity seems to be the more widely used system. Is that true?

Also, what do you think about this airbrush?

http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Purpose-Gravity-Dual-Action-Airbrush-Compressor/dp/B001TO578Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1271032392&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Purpose-Gravity-Dual-Action-Airbrush-Compressor/dp/B001TO578Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1271032392&sr=1-2)

It looks similar to the ones posted by ahaiko from Harbor Freight.

Would that be good for a newbie who's never touched an airbrush before?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Marc on April 13, 2010, 02:07:41 AM
The airbrush looks ok, especially for that price. It's basically the price of a compressor so you can always upgrade your airbrush once you know how to use it. That's what I did. I find it best to learn how to clean an airbrush on a cheap one. Keeps you from ruining expensive needles :-)

Wikipedia on feed systems:
Quote
Paint can be fed by gravity from a paint reservoir sitting atop the airbrush (called gravity feed) or siphoned from a reservoir mounted below (bottom feed) or on the side (side feed). Each feed type carries unique advantages. Gravity feed instruments require less air pressure for suction as the gravity pulls the paint into the mixing chamber. Typically instruments with the finest mist atomization and detail requirements use this method. Side- and bottom-feed instruments allow the artist to see over the top, with the former sometimes offering left-handed and right-handed options to suit the artist. A bottom feed airbrush typically holds a larger capacity of paint than the other types, and is often preferable for larger scale work such as automotive applications and tee-shirt design.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Randomtask on April 29, 2010, 04:59:10 PM
Sorry if this has been asked already, I searched but couldn't find the answer I was after.

I found a Badger 150 Professional set for only $50, so I snagged it.  I've never airbrushed before, so I was wondering what kind of compressor I should get.  I live in Canada so unfortunately that cheap one at Harbor Freight isn't an option for me.

Should I look for a compressor with a certain PSI level, or horsepower?  I'm not sure at all where to start. 

Optimally, I'd like to get one that's quiet and with an auto shutoff feature, for a relatively cheap price (obviously).  If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be great.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on May 14, 2010, 03:54:23 PM
So I ended up getting the Harbor Freight airbrush/compressor combo for 79.99. I received it yesterday and I'm quite please with it, buuuut...  I have one problem. The hose connection is 1/8" and my crescendo hose is 1/4". I went out and got a 1/8 female-to-1/4 male bushing/adapter at Home Depot and while it works - it does have one leak. Anyone got any ideas on how to fix it?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on May 14, 2010, 04:05:19 PM
So I ended up getting the Harbor Freight airbrush/compressor combo for 79.99. I received it yesterday and I'm quite please with it, buuuut...  I have one problem. The hose connection is 1/8" and my crescendo hose is 1/4". I went out and got a 1/8 female-to-1/4 male bushing/adapter at Home Depot and while it works - it does have one leak. Anyone got any ideas on how to fix it?


If you'll read up a couple-few posts in this thread (I think it's this thread anyway) we mention a kind of tape you can buy to put on the threads to seal off leaks (can't remember the name of it, and I'm feeling kinda lazy right now to look back up and find it for you).  My setup had a bunch of leaks too, and that stuff worked wonders on them.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on May 14, 2010, 04:22:13 PM
Hah, dang I forgot about that... even read it too. ><

Yeah I guess I'll go find some teflon tape tomorrow.

EDIT: Yeahhh... the tape isn't working. :( Anyone else got any other ideas?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: fredpekker on May 18, 2010, 08:48:41 AM
With teflon tape you have to wrap it around the threads 5 or 6 times to get it to seal. You can also get liquid teflon, but you'll never be able to take those apart again. It could be metric, though. If the leak is not from the threads, you might want to try finding a small o-ring to fit in the female end. Try spraying soapy water on it with the compressor running to find out exactly where the leak is.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on May 18, 2010, 09:43:57 AM
I'm thinking it''s the threads because it only leaks with the bushing on, when it's connected directly to the original airbrush it doesn't leak at all, I also checked the crescendo's hose and it's not coming from there either. I'm gonna check it again soon.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: fredpekker on May 18, 2010, 09:47:07 AM
Are you wrapping both connections, from the compressor and to the hose?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on May 18, 2010, 10:43:03 AM
I did it once before without results. I tried again, I ended up wrapping the male end of the compressor like 8 times and the male end of the adapter to the hose 4-5 times, thatr seems to have fixed it.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: K-Shaps on May 26, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
So it seems like this is the airbrush that everyone is talking about. I am thinking of picking it up, but was wondering, is the airbrush that this kit comes with dual action? Do people that own this airbrush like it? I am buying my first airbrush and compressor because I want to get into modeling seriously and spray painting models just isn't as good looking. I am sure in the 18 pages of this thread this question has been asked before, but I am hoping someone can help me out here. Any cheaper airbrush kits would also be nice.

Here is the one I am looking at that a lot of people on here talk about:

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-5-hp-58-psi-compressor-and-airbrush-kit-95630.html

Thanks in advance. Sorry I'm a n00b.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on May 26, 2010, 03:17:30 PM
Yeah it''s double action. If you're a beginner I'd say it's fine for you to start, test it out.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Ziendall on May 30, 2010, 09:57:10 AM
I found an airbrush and compressor nearby for 60$. It's a Badger 180-10 with a 100SG brush. I'm probably going to buy it simply for the compressor, but the 100SG is a nail brush. Would it be at all useful for gunpla? I do plan on buying a 150 once I can afford it, but I was curious as to whether or not the 100SG would be useful for fine lines or if it would just be a useless hassle.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zerochill on June 02, 2010, 12:25:07 AM
got a quick question... im planning to buy a 2nd hand tamiya spray works airbrush.. its been used for a year... seller selling it almost half the price is it ok?? or is it too pricey?

Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: K-Shaps on June 03, 2010, 12:43:44 PM
http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM74520

Tamiya is having a sale on HLJ. Is this worth picking up for my first airbrush or this one

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-5-hp-58-psi-compressor-and-airbrush-kit-95630.html

In the Tamiya set is the brush that comes with it dual action? if not could i buy a seperate one and use that instead?

Thanks so much!

Basically which is the better deal in the long run. What would you buy?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on June 12, 2010, 09:25:11 AM
All right so I need a little help with my Crescendo; I started using it today to apply a basecoat to a few pieces and as soon as I started painting one of the pieces I noticed I was getting an insane amount of runny pieces, at first I thought I'd thinned my paint to much but after fixing that problem I noticed it did it regardless, then I noticed that the head of the airbrush was doing this:

http://yfrog.com/15jdjz

At first it was the bottom section, so I tried tightening it just in case but then the upper part started doing it and intermittently both sections do it... any ideas on what's to blame?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on June 12, 2010, 10:08:31 AM
All right so I need a little help with my Crescendo; I started using it today to apply a basecoat to a few pieces and as soon as I started painting one of the pieces I noticed I was getting an insane amount of runny pieces, at first I thought I'd thinned my paint to much but after fixing that problem I noticed it did it regardless, then I noticed that the head of the airbrush was doing this:

http://yfrog.com/15jdjz

At first it was the bottom section, so I tried tightening it just in case but then the upper part started doing it and intermittently both sections do it... any ideas on what's to blame?


REALLY can't tell what we're looking at in the vid (really blurry).  Is the primer coming out from the threading in the needle cap?

What PSI are you at when this is happening?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Indy aka Rex on June 12, 2010, 07:11:43 PM
It's not primer, it's the base coat. I can't explain what it is, I think it's moisture bubbling out of the spray regulator and the head because there's no color to it, it's just liquid bubbling out of the threaded sections like a leak but I've tightened them. I never checked the PSI, I'll do that next.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: CasusLuciferi on June 14, 2010, 08:35:00 AM
This is going to sound really dumb, but remember, I am a a n00b to this, so just want to make sure I don't make any dumb mistakes  :steam2:

Are there any problems painting wise if I buy a model with 'clear parts'? Just because it seems like the rereleases come with an arm and a leg being clear X_x
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on June 14, 2010, 09:31:09 AM
This is going to sound really dumb, but remember, I am a a n00b to this, so just want to make sure I don't make any dumb mistakes  :steam2:

Are there any problems painting wise if I buy a model with 'clear parts'? Just because it seems like the rereleases come with an arm and a leg being clear X_x


The clear parts are an extra runner.  You'll still get the normal colored parts.

As far as painting, just use primer and it'll be ok (point, look at the repaints people are doing of Unicorn, and the psycho frame).  From what I've noticed on the few clear kits I've had, the clear tends to be more brittle than normal colored stuff.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Sephiroth1089 on July 13, 2010, 02:19:46 PM
Hi I had couple of questions about the compressor/airbrush kit i bought from harbor freight.
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-5-hp-58-psi-compressor-and-airbrush-kit-95630.html

I'm not sure how exactly the water drain valve works. I can push the valve upwards so that it looks like water would fall out but right now it seems only water droplets have formed which not enough to let the water flow out. The reason why I'm asking is because the last time I was painting, my airbrush would spit out water every few minutes. I'm assuming I need a moisture trap to prevent that from happening. I also thought it might be that I need to clean the airbrush better or find a way to remove the water droplets from my compressor.

I've included a image of the area where the water droplets are formed on my compressor.
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6480/dsc01724q.th.jpg) (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/dsc01724q.jpg/)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: FichtenFoo on July 13, 2010, 02:52:51 PM
It helps to have the compressor running when emptying the trap. Also I use an in-line trap in addition to the compressor one. Both help, but on REALLY humid days it gets spittery. On those days I have to use a dehumidifier.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Garylok on November 15, 2010, 04:59:59 AM
I am currently using the "Tamiya Spray-Work Basic Air Compressor W/Airbrush"
http://www.tamiya-shop.com.au/shop/tamiya-74520-tamiya-spraywork-basic-compressor-with-airbr-p-5839.html (http://www.tamiya-shop.com.au/shop/tamiya-74520-tamiya-spraywork-basic-compressor-with-airbr-p-5839.html)

I want to step it up a notch and get a double action airbrush and possibally a new compressor aswell.

I recieved a air compressor from an old friend of mine and I have no idea what it is capable of. I just cleaned it out and tested it on the airbrush it came with which is the "Gunze Sangyo Pro-Spray Mk-III". Both AB will not work on the opposite compressors due to the hose not being the same in diameter so i couldnt test it properly.

This new compressor has a big "Sil.Air" sticker on the top and on the front it reads "Werther Reggio Emilia - International Italia" (L.T = 1.5, bar = 6)
Anyone have any idea what all this means or how good this compressor is?

http://img8.imageshack.us/i/r0011393.jpg/ (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/r0011393.jpg/)
http://img440.imageshack.us/i/r0011394.jpg/ (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/r0011394.jpg/)
http://img176.imageshack.us/i/r0011396.jpg/ (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/r0011396.jpg/)

It has a pressure gauge which is in PSI or bar and builds up gradually when i turn it on, loses it when i use the AB. I know this sounds stupidly noob but my old compressor did not have all this fancy stuff. There is also that humidity filter and below is some type of gold dust, not sure what this is, at first i thought it was rust but it looks more gold.

The airbrushes ive been keeping my eye on;
- PROCON BOY WA Double Action Platinum 0.3-MR HOBBY PS289
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320609366223&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320609366223&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
- PROCON BOY FWA Double Platinum 0.2mm - MR HOBBY PS270
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320609377764&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320609377764&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
- PROCON BOY WA Trigger Type Double 0.3mm- MR HOBBY PS275
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320609371336&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320609371336&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

Now a few questions about the X.Xmm needles. I believe that the thinner the needle is, the finer you can spray. So if i get a 0.2mm, will i still be able to spray as wide as a 0.3mm? Out of these 3 AB, which one would you get?

Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Myopic on November 15, 2010, 10:49:04 PM
Hi there,

I've been lurking the website on and off for awhile now but decided to post after a few quick searches didn't seem to help.

Basically, I bought a budget external mix airbrush (http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/badger-spray-gun-set/) as a temporary replacement to my proper one which I don't have access to atm, and realise that the paint quality (I suppose bad atomization?) is turning out rather rough (coarse droplets, they are especially apparent on a piece of paper). I've tried increasing the PSI and adjusting the nozzle height yet not much success; spraying at different distances didn't either. I've also tried thick and thinned paint (Tamiya) with similar results. Is this as expected from such an external mix airbrush or am I clearly missing something? Many thanks!
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: zader on February 02, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
I found a couple of mini ultra-portable airbrush compressor's on ebay
As i'm new to modelling, I was wondering if anybody could give an opinion on either?
Thanks!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-Portable-Airbrush-Air-Compressor-Pump-w-Hose-/270683885996?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f060451ac#ht_1682wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Portable-Mini-Air-Compressor-Metal-New-Unit-Airbrush-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem43a4cc9bc5QQitemZ290527681477QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: craiken on April 23, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
Hi guys, I'm new. I had an AB'ing kit from my other hobby and it happens to be the Harbor Freight air compressor + airbrush set.

I didn't know you could adjust the pressure on it whatsoever. But I am a little confused after reading the topic:
Seems you can adjust the amount of air the tank can hold (can you?) and the amount of air that flows out into the hose.

Didn't need to ever adjust the pressure to paint props but using the Tamiya acrylic, I'd really like to know how to adjust it.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on April 23, 2011, 10:22:16 AM
Hi guys, I'm new. I had an AB'ing kit from my other hobby and it happens to be the Harbor Freight air compressor + airbrush set.

I didn't know you could adjust the pressure on it whatsoever. But I am a little confused after reading the topic:
Seems you can adjust the amount of air the tank can hold (can you?) and the amount of air that flows out into the hose.

Didn't need to ever adjust the pressure to paint props but using the Tamiya acrylic, I'd really like to know how to adjust it.

Thanks in advance.

That'll depend on if the compressor has a regulator or not.  Look at it and see if there's some kind of needle dial that indicates air pressure.  That dial should have the pressure knob on/near it.  If you don't see one, you'll need to get a pressure gauge/regulator for the airbrush.  I'm assuming your talking about this set:

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-5-hp-58-psi-compressor-and-airbrush-kit-95630.html

If so, then yes, you have the regulator built in.  The knob should be somewhere near the gauge/moisture trap.  It's not sticking out to me as obvious just from looking at the picture, though; on the Badger one I have, there's a knob sticking out of the flat top there beside the gauge, that you pull up and turn to adjust air pressure.  Maybe RTFM?  :)


EDIT:  After RingTFM and looking at the diagrams and pictures again, your pressure regulator knob is under the carry handle, on the OTHER side from where the moisture trap is.  Pull that sucker and turn it and you should be good  ;)
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: craiken on April 24, 2011, 07:55:29 AM
Hi guys, I'm new. I had an AB'ing kit from my other hobby and it happens to be the Harbor Freight air compressor + airbrush set.

I didn't know you could adjust the pressure on it whatsoever. But I am a little confused after reading the topic:
Seems you can adjust the amount of air the tank can hold (can you?) and the amount of air that flows out into the hose.

Didn't need to ever adjust the pressure to paint props but using the Tamiya acrylic, I'd really like to know how to adjust it.

Thanks in advance.

That'll depend on if the compressor has a regulator or not.  Look at it and see if there's some kind of needle dial that indicates air pressure.  That dial should have the pressure knob on/near it.  If you don't see one, you'll need to get a pressure gauge/regulator for the airbrush.  I'm assuming your talking about this set:

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-5-hp-58-psi-compressor-and-airbrush-kit-95630.html

If so, then yes, you have the regulator built in.  The knob should be somewhere near the gauge/moisture trap.  It's not sticking out to me as obvious just from looking at the picture, though; on the Badger one I have, there's a knob sticking out of the flat top there beside the gauge, that you pull up and turn to adjust air pressure.  Maybe RTFM?  :)


EDIT:  After RingTFM and looking at the diagrams and pictures again, your pressure regulator knob is under the carry handle, on the OTHER side from where the moisture trap is.  Pull that sucker and turn it and you should be good  ;)

Looking at the areas you mentioned and at the manual for the compressor disassembled:
The area under the carry handle doesn't quite feel like a regulator of any sorts. It's pretty solid and there's no way to remove or adjust anything in that area. (Area circled with ??? on it)
Only knob that adjusts is the one circled on the left that's below the moisture trap, which has a spring inside when you unscrew it all the way. Playing with it, it does adjusts the air flow so I'll assume it is.

Is there a point where I should not turn down the air flow anymore? Notice that it starts leaking air from that knob after so low.

Edit: Forgot the pic:
(http://img98.imageshack.us/i/image9246.jpg)

Sorry for the questions, already read the thread and I'm really new at this.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Zircor on April 24, 2011, 08:13:02 AM
Hi guys, I'm new. I had an AB'ing kit from my other hobby and it happens to be the Harbor Freight air compressor + airbrush set.

I didn't know you could adjust the pressure on it whatsoever. But I am a little confused after reading the topic:
Seems you can adjust the amount of air the tank can hold (can you?) and the amount of air that flows out into the hose.

Didn't need to ever adjust the pressure to paint props but using the Tamiya acrylic, I'd really like to know how to adjust it.

Thanks in advance.

That'll depend on if the compressor has a regulator or not.  Look at it and see if there's some kind of needle dial that indicates air pressure.  That dial should have the pressure knob on/near it.  If you don't see one, you'll need to get a pressure gauge/regulator for the airbrush.  I'm assuming your talking about this set:

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-5-hp-58-psi-compressor-and-airbrush-kit-95630.html

If so, then yes, you have the regulator built in.  The knob should be somewhere near the gauge/moisture trap.  It's not sticking out to me as obvious just from looking at the picture, though; on the Badger one I have, there's a knob sticking out of the flat top there beside the gauge, that you pull up and turn to adjust air pressure.  Maybe RTFM?  :)


EDIT:  After RingTFM and looking at the diagrams and pictures again, your pressure regulator knob is under the carry handle, on the OTHER side from where the moisture trap is.  Pull that sucker and turn it and you should be good  ;)

Looking at the areas you mentioned and at the manual for the compressor disassembled:
The area under the carry handle doesn't quite feel like a regulator of any sorts. It's pretty solid and there's no way to remove or adjust anything in that area. (Area circled with ??? on it)
Only knob that adjusts is the one circled on the left that's below the moisture trap, which has a spring inside when you unscrew it all the way. Playing with it, it does adjusts the air flow so I'll assume it is.

Is there a point where I should not turn down the air flow anymore? Notice that it starts leaking air from that knob after so low.

Edit: Forgot the pic:
(http://img98.imageshack.us/i/image9246.jpg)

Sorry for the questions, already read the thread and I'm really new at this.

I've found having the air pressure AFTER pressing down the trigger on the AB at around 20-25 PSI is good, depending on what you're doing (and that's with a dual-action AB, too - I honestly can't tell if that one is single or double action).  I've been using the Tamiya paints, too, and that seems to work well.  Make sure you've got it thinned properly (about 1:1 ratio for everything except gloss white; don't thin that).

I'm not familiar with the model of compressor you have, so not really sure which would be which.  Reading the manual, though the black knob by where the handle is should be your pressure regulator (it looks EXACTLY like the knob on my Badger moisture trap/gauge/regulator).  On mine, if you pull on the knob, then twist, the part that clicks out will be the adjusting part.  I THINK the part you're talking about underneath the gauge is actually the button you press UP on to release the moisture from the trap.  Don't unscrew that  ;)  Look at page 12 of the manual, where it has the breakaway diagram and part list.  Part # 31 says "pressure switch".  That's your adjuster knob.  Part #23, which is the part with the screw I think you're talking about, is the "water drain valve".
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: psecody on May 28, 2011, 07:25:35 AM
Hello everyone, it's been a while.
Well now that schools over for the year I'm stuck two hours away from home with nothing to do so recently I've got back into modeling full swing. Anyway I'm getting stuck pretty quick on a lot of models because I don't have an air compressor up here so no airbrush. Long story short I want to get a new air compressor and found one that comes with an Iwata airbrush (I'm currently using a $5 badger from hobby lobby) so I figure it's time for an upgrade.

Here's the set I've been looking at. (http://www.amazon.com/Iwata-Eclipse-Airbrushing-Airbrush-Depot-Compressor/dp/B004S827JC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=arts-crafts&qid=1306557409&sr=8-1)

I found it on Airbrush Depots site the other night but now there seems to be a problem with their site on certain pages. Anyway the compressor is the TC-196 which is basically the same as the TC-20T only it's twin piston. I thought about the 20T but decided that the 196 would probably last longer based on what I've read. Anyway I was just wondering if anybody has either of these compressors and could tell me how they like them. So far I've only found one guy's review of it and it basically was just him saying "I like it" without going into too much detail. Also it says 59db is how loud it is, can anyone comment on how loud it is? I don't really have anything to compare 59db to and I live in an apartment type situation so I don't want a really loud compressor (the neighbors already have to put up with my guitar haha). Sorry for the long winded post, I'm just not too familiar with smaller compressors and their application for painting so I wanted to make sure and ask before I jumped in and dropped $300 on a compressor and an airbrush. The only compressors I'm used to using are the big ones and while having a huge air tank keeps them off most of the time I really want to avoid it sounding like an airplane is taking off in my condo when it does have to fill it's tank back up haha.

Thanks for any replies guys I appreciate it.
Cody
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Sharkdog on June 05, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
I've recently started planning to take my modelling up a notch. I've built plenty of gundams out of the box, but never painted one.

I'll hopefully be able to start on my first real project soon, which would include customising a bit, plus a new paint job.

Initially I thought I might just go with spray cans all the way for this project, but thoughts about airbrushing always linger in the back of my head.

Being located where I'll be when I can get started on this project, I know it'd be super easy to pick up one of these:

Tamiya Spray-Work Basic:
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/74520basic_comp/basic_comp.htm

Tamiya Spray-Work HG
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/74530comp_revo/index.htm

The question is, does anyone have any experience with either of these sets? I don't really have any experience painting anything yet, so this would be very much a starters kit for me, which is why I don't want to spend too much on this yet.

I've actually seen quick mentions of these sets in this thread, but never saw them followed up with an answer, so I figured I'd be a cheeky monkey, and ask again :)

Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Grail on August 02, 2011, 09:38:03 AM
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psecody
The compressor you are looking at is pretty high end. Better than mine, and I do fine. The fact that it has a tank will mean there will be no spattering as the reserve will keep the flow smooth. As for loudness, I don't think it will be a big deal. My compressor has no tank and the same 2stage carb so it goes the whole time and I had no problem with noise when I lived in an apartment.

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Sharkdog
I personally have no experience with the compressors you have listed,but personally I would just save up for something a little more industrial. I have seen some results of these compressors that weren't that good, and it seems like they would give you a lot of trouble with inconsistent air flow and spattering. As I said, I have no experience with these,but that is the best opinion I can give you .
Hope this helps a little guys.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: psecody on August 02, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
thanks for the reply! Well it's good to hear that that one is a pretty good model haha. I first started looking at the ones without a tank but I've been used to using a big aircompressor that has a 20 gallon tank on it and got used to the peace and quiet of the compressor not always being on so I started looking for one with a tank and the two cylinder was just barely more expensive so I figured why not go ahead and get one I won't have to upgrade for a while. Now if I can ever get the money together to buy it, it seems like the money gods have it out for me haha theres always something happen and I have to spend my emergency reserves… ah but one day
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: craiken on November 09, 2011, 07:34:58 PM
Hello again,

I seem to have run into a problem with a new airbrush I got, a Badget 105 Patriot.
It worked fine out of the box, fell in love with the thing after I felt and saw how it sprayed Tamiya and Alclad (I of course cleaned the cup and ran thinner in between those two paints).
But when I went to take it apart to clean the needle and nozzle then put it back together, it started spitting.

It spits when I let go of the trigger completely (paint and air stops) then I go to press the trigger for air, it spits remnants of the paint from before.
On further inspection, while air and paint are flowing, it visibly builds up on the needle and after taking it apart again, it's somewhat getting into the little paint tip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LsGGkF1lsc Here's a video, in case you're wondering what I'm talking about.

The only other things I can see odd with it are:
-The threading between the spray regulator (the front screwing piece) and the head (the second piece the first threads into) is leaking air I think. I put some soapy water and saw some bubbles come up but it's hand tight already. No paint leaks from there however.
-The needle's not exactly centered in the paint tip. As I didn't check the airbrush when it was out of the box, I didn't have a visual as to where it was supposed to be aligned. It seems to edge towards the south west area. Here's a youtube vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jd0DXcJ2mA

Did I do something wrong when I took it apart? Looking for any suggestions to point me in the right direction; I'd loved to get back to using this lovely thing.

Thanks,
Craiken



Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Grail on November 26, 2011, 02:05:59 AM
Do you have a moisture trap connected?
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: The Inner Geek on May 22, 2012, 11:03:47 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but I did use the search function to no avail.

I wanted to see if anyone had opinions about using a CO2 bottle instead of compressor for airbrushing? I have a friend off the interwebs (in real life!) who swears by his CO2 bottle, but honestly, I don't think he uses his airbrush a ton as he's sculpting for a living now. Quiet and consistent pressure would be nice, but am I missing any major pitfalls?

I'm currently using an old, blue, loud, hunk of compressor with no accurate way to regulate pressure, so anything is going to be a step up. Besides, it's hard to ask for help when people want to know what pressure your shooting at and you have to say, "somewhere between pssss and PSSSSSS".
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: MoteOfDust on June 07, 2012, 03:36:28 PM
So a couple questions:

I spent a a little money at my comic/hobby store on a cheap citadel paintspitter/aircan and some paint for my first model/test model (http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN975548), I figured this was a good, cheap investment to test the waters of gunpla modeling, is there anything anyone knows that would indicate otherwise (something about the airbrush my noobly self wouldn't even know to recognize ).

also

what do I mix with the citadel paint, 91 isopropyl alcohol?

Lastly, since my super pro haxxorz airbrush, is, well, made of plastic and cost me 33 dollars, it is obviously not dual action, so i was just going to use a hair dryer on low and cold to help the paint dry. I figured I would mention this so someone can tell me how dumb of an idea that is before i ruin my model.

Unless it isn't a dumb idea, and is actually quite clever, in which case I feel good about myself.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Grail on June 07, 2012, 05:22:50 PM
The Inner Geek and MoteOfDust,
Most of what your asking really depends on how much you are willing to commit to the hobby of your choice. Obviously, the more your are into it, you'll want some at least mid range level equipment to get a nice look. That said, I have seen a prodigy or 2 around here that can pull it off using anything, but most of us aren't that lucky.
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I wanted to see if anyone had opinions about using a CO2 bottle instead of compressor for airbrushing?
I would say that it would be like a trajectory profile diagram in practice.  ^_^   :razz:  Combined with the inconvenience and price over the long run... I went to the compressor.  I also had a blue 120psi setup way back.. loud as hell and really crazy. Again, if you are serious, a one time small investment can set you up with something night and day different.

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what do I mix with the citadel paint, 91 isopropyl alcohol?
 I only mix these with water and I only hand paint with them..
In my opinion through an ab it would be like painting with glue.

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i was just going to use a hair dryer on low and cold
Don't see why this would be a problem. In the tutorial section here fichtenfoo actually posts how to airbrush and dry with the brush itself.
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something about the airbrush my noobly self wouldn't even know to recognize
It's pretty much all here these days..  
http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?board=23.0 (http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?board=23.0)
http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/model-tutorials-and-in-progs/ (http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/model-tutorials-and-in-progs/)

I highly recommend checking out Hobbylinc for both of you guys if you look for equipment. They have the right prices and a lot of different level tools. http://hobbylinc.com





Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: The Inner Geek on June 07, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
what do I mix with the citadel paint, 91 isopropyl alcohol?

Mote,

I've painted quite a bit with Citadel paints using an airbrush. A good primer coat is essential. For the darker colors I usually just thin with water. For light colors, especially yellows, I thin with alcohol. I don't know why it works out that way, but it does. Are there better paints to use with an airbrush? Yep. But if that is what you have, I'd say go with it. Practice on a piece of paper or some scrap plastic. I've painted a lot of sprue! Good luck.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Jiloo on June 08, 2012, 03:37:06 AM
Mote,
I'm also beginner in a world of modeling. At the very beginning I've tried some water based paints (Vallejo) in airbrush and I must say that this is not the easiest way to start. Switched to Gunze and have more satisfactory results. I do know that many people use Vallejo with beautiful results but it's not an easy paint for beginner.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Darkmessiah on June 08, 2012, 04:15:20 AM
i mainly use GW and Vallejo model colours when am airbrushing, I find the (old) GW paints actually quite forgiving in comparison to others, like above you can use just water with them, although I like to mix in some tamiya thinner, above 60/40. the vallejos are a right pain in the back side because its base is so elastic it can clog the airbrush up quite often. am gunna be looking on vallejo air paints as a possible replacement.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: The Inner Geek on July 05, 2012, 04:55:13 AM
Tried search, but I'm not sure my keywords were effective.

I just got a iwata hp-c airbrush and compressor with tank. I sprayed some tamiya gloss black thinned 1:1 on some parts I wanted to be metallic and it worked great! I practiced some fine lines on a piece of cardboard and was very happy with the ability to do so.

Then I tried to spray some Tamiya chrome silver. This time I actually wanted to get some fine lines so I thinned it a little more than 1:1 and turned the pressure down to around 10psi. When I press the AB button down I get airflow as expected. When I start to pull the button back I get nothing until about halfway back, then I get a lot of paint.. splat. So I thinned a little more... same thing. So I tossed out the paint, cleaned the AB and tried again. Same thing except sometimes I can pull the button back slowly and paint never starts to come out. Then on the next pull it will.

At one point I had this paint thinned to about 2.5:1 thinner to paint. I also tried turning the pressure up to 20-24psi. Same result... pull back button and no paint... no paint... no paint... splat! Once the paint starts coming out, it continues to come out at a high rate as long as I hold the button back.

Any suggestions? I'm reasonably sure this is user error. They say practice makes perfect... it also makes frustration and a mess in the sink.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Grail on July 05, 2012, 09:45:21 PM
Did you get a moisture trap? Sounds like the symptoms of moisture in the line.
It definitely isn't your brush. I have used that one before and it's nice action. You can have a similar problem if you mix paint too thin as well.

Could even be the compressor depending on how it runs.
If there is no spare tank, and the compressor was really cheap, you can get uneven air flow.
I would probably say moisture off the top of my head though.

PS.
Tamiya metal is really a weird paint I find. I don't put it through my brushes much anymore.( and I use mostly Tamiya paint )
For metals I use other paints and save the tamiya metals for highlights and detail stuff. Many will disagree about the way it flows, but it is also way out of scale most of the time too.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: The Inner Geek on July 06, 2012, 04:26:30 AM
Did you get a moisture trap? Sounds like the symptoms of moisture in the line.
It definitely isn't your brush. I have used that one before and it's nice action. You can have a similar problem if you mix paint too thin as well.

If there is no spare tank, and the compressor was really cheap, you can get uneven air flow.
I would probably say moisture off the top of my head though.

PS.
Tamiya metal is really a weird paint I find. I don't put it through my brushes much anymore.( and I use mostly Tamiya paint )
For metals I use other paints and save the tamiya metals for highlights and detail stuff. Many will disagree about the way it flows, but it is also way out of scale most of the time too.

Thanks for the reply, Grail.

Yes, the compressor came with a moisture trap and has a tank. It's actually the TC-20T from TCP Global (http://www.tcpglobal.com/airbrushdepot/tc20t.html). The whole setup has been run exactly as much as stated above. About 10 minutes for some gloss black, and then a half hour or so working on the metallic. Maybe I did over-thin? I'm kind of paranoid about running paint through too thick and clogging something up.

I appreciate the heads up on the Tamiya metals too. Right now I'm working on building my skill with the AB. If a couple of kits look any better than they would have out of box, that's a bonus!. Long term goal is to practice with the Tamiya (easy to get hold of) then move on to laquer as I like the results I see here on the forums when people use laquer paints.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Jiloo on July 06, 2012, 08:02:02 AM
You don't have to wait to switch to laquers. I've started with Vallejo and don't like working with them. It cloges my nozzle oto often.
Then I switched to Gunze H. But it was to soft for me. Often leave fingerprints on paint during assembling. It need to dry longer.
Then I started with Gunze C. It is perfect for me. Dries quicly, flows very nice in a AB. Have no problem at all with them. Now I using mostly Gunze C and Gaia paints.
Of course when I need softer paint I'm switching to H. And also have some others for different purpouses - Tamiya enamels, Vallejo for hand brushing.
Never used Tamiya, and heard many good opinions about them. Just bought two colors recently and will test them to use on one model.
Don't be affraid of laquers. They're realy good and easy to use paints.
Title: Re: Airbrush, Airbrushing, and Compressor Questions
Post by: Groze on May 02, 2013, 05:41:59 PM
While researching what to purchase for my first airbrush, I found a website that goes in to far more detail than you could ever while reviewing some common airbrushes, and has quite a lot of information to offer on airbrushing in general. I would strongly recommend reading the material on this site before you go and drop 100$ on your first airbrush, as I have not yet seen a more rigorous test of airbrush craftsmanship.

https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/home

Now, as far as a beginning set, I'm thinking about the following:

Airbrush:
Either the Badger 105 Patriot or the Badger 155 Anthem, although I'm favoring the 105 because I've heard that that it's better to use the gravity fed system when I'm working with small amounts of paints and finer models. I intend to use both an in-line air filter and an pressure regulator/air filter combo.

Compressor:
Right now I'm considering the TC-20T, as it seems to be the cheapest air compressor with important features such as an air tank, heat shut off valve, and air on demand. However I'm worried about noise issues, since I'm hoping that I'll be able to operate it on my apartment's balcony. I live in the city, so I'm hoping that it's noise will just be drowned out by everything else but I'm not sure. My other concerns are that it's going to fail quickly, since it's not really made by a name brand airbrushing company. Does anyone have experience or suggestions in regards to this? Finally, is it necessary for me to have a tank for painting MG/PG kits and the occasional WH40K Titan? I've heard that the regularized pressure is a big improvement, but I don't have enough experience to determine whether this will really make a difference for the beginner.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/airbrushdepot/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=ABD+TC-20T

Any comments/criticism/advice on my setup?

(Also, my first post, I've lurked this site for what seems like years getting tips for building my WH40K models, I figured it was about time for me to nut up and do some gunpla)